The Best of the Rest: 175lbs Tier II Tournie - QF - 3: Jose Torres UD15 James Toney

I don't see off Toneys record at ltheavy how he beats any worthwhile opponent. His lightheavy days he was lazy and lost. You're giving Toney credit due to the cruiserweight championship fight & his heavyweight fights that at lightheavy he did not show.

 

Toney`s fight v Williams was at super middle.

 

I reckon this is a weird fight to think about mentally....the mesh of these two styles is odd and I'm not sure these types of stylistic extremes have matched up before.

Torres has a few things going for him....big and very fit at the weight, great long jab that I wonder if Toney would find easy to counter (probably), awesomely quick combo's when in his rhythm...plus that classic peek-a-boo front foot lurch into his opponents to go forehead to forehead and rip combo's. I see Torres getting clobbered by some hard counters as he closes distance...maybe Torres' could bring his lead hook out? Dip, hook and lurch into Toney...maybe smother that one counter. Torres might have difficulty adjusting to Toney at first, but Torres just got so much more offence available.

My take atm - Torres UD 15...pulls away in the latter rounds.

 

NB. I have never bought into the theme that if a fighter showed little at a weight (eg. Toney at Lt. Hvy) then you have to limit him to / by what he showed. So I don't cap Toney's capacities o his performances at 175 anymore than I automatically assume ODLH couldn't fight at 140lb's. It just doesn't make sense to me....give Toney a motivating paycheck and he'd come in fit...ditto ODLH at 140lb's.

No matchmaker at the time ever assumed Toney was a bum or flop at LHW - they treated him with due caution...but then this goes to which way you evaluate fighters, whether a) retrospectively looking at their records and performances, or b) as if you were managing / matchmaking at what you could potentially be steering a charge into (my preference). Tangent over.

 

Torres to win but ain't no way he's koin Toney, IMO

 

Stylistically Torres has nothing for Toney. I like James by TKO

 

Toney looked sluggish in his fight at light heavy.

 

Toney lost three fights at light heavy.

 

Mark please dont respond to my threads

 

I have Torres wining via his higher work rate and excellent combination punching. The most underrated aspect of Torres was his tremendous handspeed and Toney typically did not do well against fighters that had more speed than him. Toney was at his best against hard hitting bangers that he could counter punch to death. Torres was not that guy.

 

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Which one of them was Jose Torres?

 

Shhhhhh.

You're not that guy pal