The 17 of Calzaghe's Era Who Were Better Than Him- are there more or less??

Collis retired because he didn't fancy the job as Eubanks said after his fight with Joe Calzaghe , Jones was quoated as saying its as much his fault that the Calzaghe fight never came off as much as it was Joe's . Hopkins Ducked him once as did winky and Pavlik , Taylor ducked him twice , Tarver would have been a good fight and Joe should i agree defo should have gone afte him as it was a winnable fight for Calzaghe , and last but not least we move on to the ONLY man with a legit claim to Calzaghe ducking him ,,Glenncoffie Johnson , ( Injury to Calzaghe was stated at the time as the reason but Joe was in a mess a few weeks before the bout was to have taken place ) . Hope this clears a few things up for you Pac fan .:good

 

Steve collins retired instead of fighting Joe look it up.atsch

 

Having read a lot of the stuff Joe has been saying lately that is in total contradiction to what he previously stated, personally I wouldn't believe an awful of what he comes out with.

At the end of the day the fact is, for what ever reasons (be it his fault or not, nobody knows the real truth, the reasons don't really matter); he simply didn't fight them.

 

It doesn't clear anything up. I do not believe Hopkins or Wright or Pavlik or Taylor ever 'ducked' him. Did Joe ever make them a concrete definite substantial offer to set a date? I don't think so. And why would RJJ in the late 1990s and early 2000s have been the one trying to initiate a fight with Calzaghe?!?!?! He was P4P#1, a 3-weight world champion, undefeated except for a DQ, and had wins over Hopkins & Toney under his belt. When a guy is in a position like that, he doesn't go looking for anyone, it's up to the younger, apparently hungrier guys who, unlike him, have a need to prove themselves who chase after him. It can't be denied that Team Calzaghe never really went for it with any conviction. Do you remember him calling RJJ out or confronting him like Haye done to Klitschko??

I don't recall him actually making a bid to stop Collins from retiring, or ever conisdering taking the risk to jump weight v Tarver, and yes, he pulled out of fighting Johnson in dubious circumstances.

Joe hung around hoping no-one would make him offers to fight, so after he could pretend all the guys in the divisions around him never challenged him. Did he ever go for any of these guys with any conviction, really? I don't remember any public campaigns.

Clear-up.

 

Pac , Jones was @ L/heavy Before Calzaghe even won a title why would a newly crowned S/Middle challenge the worlds best P4P at the time fighter ? Surly he would want to establish himself first , its well documented that ,( In order ) Collins , Hopkins , Taylor , Winky , Taylor again then Pavlik all for whatever reason refused offers to fight Calzaghe , If you come out with threads like this you should already through research know these things , these comments i have written are researched and what i belive to be true , you coming here trying to discredit a pro fighter who has fought and beaten everyone he has faced since the age of 13 is pretty pathetic really considering you don't back your claims up with facts .

 

It's funny how Clinton Woods managed to get a fight with Tarver, 3 fights with Glen Johnson, and a fight with Roy Jones Jr. Two months after Woods fought Roy Jones, Calzaghe fought Tocker Pudwill.

 

And why did he fight Tocker Pudwill ?

 

Because he was a replacement for the errr.... mighty Thomas Tate, 36 years old and his best days behind him.

 

Correct Jon ,. but that was the only reason he got a look in , and the reason why woods lost to all those fighters you mentioned ( with the exception to Johnson once ) is that he was probaby considered easy meat to the yanks . dont get me wrong i like Clinton but its probably true . calzaghe was fighting at S/middle for years for a reason , the reason being he fought **** v Hopkins @ L/heavy and knew a jump in weight would have proved less lucrative than staying attempting a sucsesfull S/Middle unification .

 

I disagree.

Clinton beat, drew and lost to Johnson, and he's not a yank. The reason woods got the fights is because he was willing to take them, and travel to the states in the case of Jones. Those fights and alike were there for Joe if he was willing to chase them.

 

Would you agree that woods was a L/heavy and Joe Calzaghe was a s/middle ? why would he fight at L/heavy when he was a better fighter at s/middle , Why would he give away whatever advantage over an opponent he had by moving up n weight ? Whats with all this fighting at higher weights to prove you are all that anyway ? Joe calzaghe will be remembered as an Undisputed s/Middleweight Champion , Clinton woods will be remembered as a belt holder in the L/Heavyweight division .

 

He fought his last fight at LH and will be fighting his next one at LH, it doesn't seem a problem now. If you want the big names and your divisions unfortunately weak in talent thats what a lot of great boxers do. It's not ideal but that's the way it is; they have to move weight to cement their legacy. The difference between SM and LH is hardly huge, it's only one division and the weight change doesn't impact as much as it does on the smaller guys (at lower weights). There is a difference but...

*Joe himself states he quicker, stronger and faster at LH*

 

Yes he is fighting @ L/heavyweight now but only after unifying @ S/Middle and why not ? he has the prstige and satisfaction of being the undisputed champ at his prefered weight division and he is cashing in on his sucsess in the states @ L/Heavy because thats where the money is . personally i would have liked to have seen him fight either Dawson or Pavlik post Kessler but then again im not the one who's making the decisions and actually getting in there doing the buisness , He is .

 

I'd take off Wright, Tapia, and Trinidad, and add Dariusz Michalczewski and Evander Holyfield.

Tszyu is debatable as well.

 

Holyfield is probably considered last generation, otherwise he'd obviously be on the list.

DM doesn't deserve a placing at all, definitely not above Trinidad, Wright, or even Tapia. Tszyu you could argue.