Is Mayweather underrated ?

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Name a single boxer who comfortably made weight, then was drained four months later, then was comfortably fighting at the same weight three or four years later and I'll listen to you (figure of speech bc I still won't).
     
  2. scandcb

    scandcb Active Member Full Member

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    Who said he made weight comfortably for the Manfredy bout? Who said he made the weight comfortably a years later? Perhaps he struggled to make weight in those bouts as well.

    As covered on the previous page, he started camp at 168lbs and was at 140lbs a week prior to fight. As the Sky reporter said, Corrales confessed to him that he was struggling at the weight. As his ex-manager said, he also had bronchitis and didn't prepare properly.

    If you want to believe these are all lies then fine. We all know you think Mayweather created the milky way. Even if it is all excuses, he was never that good anyway and is hardly proof that Mayweather is the god that you make him out to be.
     
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  3. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While I think Mayweather executed his game plan to perfection I have to be honest as Diego did look like a zombie in that fight.
     
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  4. Balder

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    He was a world class fighter wrapped in a low class body. He ducked, made deals that always hurt his opponents, and still cherry picked most of his foes.

    He can never be rated as the best, or even in the top tier of the best because he self managed himself right out of consideration.

    Furthermore his record is inflated. He lost to Castillo, and an argument can be made that he lost to Maidana and De La Hoya as well. If stain had a name it would be Mayweather.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Still waiting for that single other example, sonny.
     
  6. scandcb

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    Roberto Duran between the first two Leonard bouts.
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    That’s just a fanboy myth and he moved up in weight after. Next.
     
  8. scandcb

    scandcb Active Member Full Member

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    So you don't believe Duran struggled to make weight?
     
  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    You're deflecting. Duran didn't stay at 147 for years afterward like Corrales did.
     
  10. scandcb

    scandcb Active Member Full Member

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    And? You requested a very specific example.

    The fact is that boxers can have bad preparations which lead to them struggling to make a weight limit they would otherwise find it easy to make. This is what happened to Duran in the Leonard rematch and Corrales in the Mayweather bout.

    Even if you want to accuse the Sky reporter and others of lying and chose not to believe them, which is hilarious given the character you have shown on here, it doesn't change that Corrales wasn't even that good to begin with.

    That bout doesn't mean that Mayweather is the god that you desperately want him to be.
     
  11. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is an outstanding point ,, well put. Couldn't agree more
     
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  12. Quick Cash

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    I think Hatton fits the bill. But I don't let that diminish what Floyd accomplished against Corrales; it was an all-time great performance against a still formidable foe. I do, however, think there's something to Chico's weight problems in the Mayweather bout, and his fight night weights, both against Floyd and others leading up to that match, bear this out. For Gainer, Juuko and Manfredy he tipped in at 141, 140 and 140 again, but for Floyd he was 146, which would become his normal weight as a lightweight.
     
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  13. ChrisJS

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    The whole “he made weight comfortably for years afterwards” angle is biased. He spent two years out of the ring as he was in prison (he spent a lot of the buildup in the courtroom and had the legal matter on his mind before the fight too) and then all his comeback fights were above 130. He did squeeze down for the Casamayor fights of which he was KO’d quickly and then got a lucky decision and then he was up to 135. Corralled had hell making 135 for the John Brown fight too and that’s when they started talking about moving up. Top Rank knew what they were doing. Losing a loose cannon so match him with the guy with more upside at a weight he could barely make.

    In fact most of Corrales’ fights before he even won the title were at 135 but a more accessible title opened up at 130 first.

    And I agree, Corrales wasn’t a special fighter. Decent in his era but more of a crowd pleaser than a world beater.
     
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  14. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    No need to apologize. Mistakes and misunderstandings happen. :thumbsup:

    And I don't totally disagree with your final point, although I wouldn't be inclined to say "cherry-picking". Floyd was selective at times for sure, but so is every boxer at one point or another.
     
  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    You summed it perfectly. I'm 100% onboard with every word of what you said here.
     
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