Did Mike Tyson in his prime only beat bums and over the hill fighters?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mark ant, Jul 12, 2021.



  1. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,187
    1,296
    Mar 20, 2013
    That was an informative post by ecto
     
  2. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

    4,226
    4,494
    Oct 12, 2020
    I bet EVERY single one of the ABC guys he beat would demolish Corbett.
     
    mark ant likes this.
  3. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

    4,226
    4,494
    Oct 12, 2020
  4. FuryisGOAT

    FuryisGOAT New Member Full Member

    74
    93
    Feb 26, 2020
    They weren’t bums. But they weren’t elite level either. Average resume and because of his later loses too holyfield and lewis makes him look a weak era bully.
     
  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,013
    10,228
    Mar 23, 2019
    This is a very good, more than legitimate question, Mark.

    No offense, but I'm not sure about ANY of this. Wilder didn't have the punch output or even boxing skill of Mike Tyson. AJ would have been sorely outboxed. Fury might outbox him in a snooze fest. But I wouldn't bet on ANY of those guys against Tucker.
     
  6. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,945
    2,832
    Jun 1, 2018
    Mark, are you serious? "Opposition bums and over-the-hill fighters?" Now, really. Shame on you.
     
  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,013
    10,228
    Mar 23, 2019
    I think Mark is simply conjecturing, my friend.
     
    mark ant and KasimirKid like this.
  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member Full Member

    48,146
    34,852
    Apr 27, 2005
    To be fair he has posed it as a ? not a statement.
     
    mark ant and KasimirKid like this.
  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    24,990
    28,592
    Jan 8, 2017
    Look at some of the guys that Louis fought in his championship days.
    With all due respect to Joe, some of em wouldn't make it to a title shot or in the last fifty years.
     
    Kamikaze and mark ant like this.
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    70,017
    24,005
    Feb 15, 2006
    That is impossible to know, but either way, it doesn't change the argument very much in my eyes.

    You can only fight what is available at the time.
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,511
    7,386
    Dec 31, 2009
    No Tyson did not only beat bums and over the hill fighters but he had a considerable advantage over 99% of them because he was so much more active than any of his opponents.

    As good as Tyson was, it made him look so many times better.

    Eventually he ran into Douglas who had fought just as often, and against just as good fighters.

    Douglas had fought on the same card as Tyson in his last few fights. That really helped Buster prepare enough to give his best.

    In hindsight, A lot of Tyson opponents were really not that well prepared. Very few of them had beaten ranked guys recently enough. Tubbs,Thomas, Holmes, Spinks and Bruno couldn’t be expected to do themselves justice going by their recent results.

    Even Williams and Biggs had not been as active.

    This leaves only Berbick, Tucker and Smith as decent wins.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2021
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    36,654
    16,430
    May 4, 2017
    Douglas and Tyson fought the same opponent in 1987, Tony Tucker.
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,511
    7,386
    Dec 31, 2009
    That’s right. Tucker beat Douglas, a legit win, then was outpointed by Tyson.

    It should be noted that in 1987 Tucker and Douglas were pretty unknown though. In reality Tucker and Douglas were rated below all of the name heavyweights at that time.

    Had Spinks not been stripped of his belt, Tucker and Douglas would have met only for the USBA title.

    In real terms, As fringe contenders, Tucker and Douglas were promoted into a vacant IBF title bout based on nothing very much.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2021
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,511
    7,386
    Dec 31, 2009
    It is pretty damning that that 1987 end of year ratings in @Boilermaker “lineal rankings system” which is based on a real “man who beats the man” rating, Tony Tucker and Buster Douglas only make #16 and #17.

    Proving in 1987, The IBF belt was only worth that kind of ranking.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2021
  15. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

    822
    393
    May 4, 2021
    louis beat more hall of fame fighters than ali ,you are doing what most do judge boxers from then by modern (watered down) standards and coming to the wrong conclusion of their skills!
     
    louis54 and choklab like this.