Canelo Bivol at 168 or 175?

Pretty much anything you need to consider about this potential match was covered in those two long posts. It became pretty clear to me that we needed to highlight Bivol's comments and compare the situation to Ward Dawson.

Lets imagine a scenario that Canelo Bivol agree to fight at 168. If it weren't for this topic, you'd see a complete meltdown on here like never seen before. But with me breaking down the whole situation beforehand in a way to make it make sense to those who would otherwise lose their minds, I averted a potential disaster.

And again I don't know if they will make this fight happen for September or what weight it will be at, but there's a lot of food for thought here. And I think I made some important points about the feasibility of the match happening 168 that many posters here weren't considering and wouldn't otherwise accept as a legitimate match. Not that I want that, but if it were not for this topic, it would only be seen as feasible or legitimiate at 175, all in an attempt to give Bivol advantages, ignoring Bivol's statements. Given the anti-Canelo rhetoric around here, I think I needed to apply some much needed logic and reasoning to the situation so we can reference this topic as we move forward.

 

Another one of Canelo's circus acts? You must be confusing Mayweather with Canelo.

If the fight were at 175, if anyone would need a proper training camp it would be Canelo who would be moving up a weight class. The point of this topic is to highlight the kind of faulty logic that you are displaying here. How would Bivol be any more inconvenienced than Canelo for having a so-called short training camp? The idea that Canelo intentionally waits till he last possible second to make a fight so that his opponent has a short camp is total nonsense.

It takes two fighters to come to terms to make a fight. Canelo wants to fight on Mexican Independence Day, he tried to make the fight with Plant but Plant backed out. So given that, there's an urgency to make a deal soon, like this week. If they can make the fight happen for September 18th and agree to it this week they wiill both have a full training camp. It's really a matter of if Bivol feels like he can make 168. He's making statements suggesting that he not only can make 168 but he sounds like he wants to challenge for Canelo's belts.

But you seem to be ignoring Bivol's own statements and are acting like you won't be interested unless it's at 175. You're mindset is precisely why this topic was created.

 

That's a good point. If Oscar called out Pac and agreed to meet Pac at 147, then Pac shouldn't be blamed for that and it should be viewed like Ward Dawson, that it was a miscalculation on Oscar's part to think he can move down a weight class safely. There was a huge gap in weight betwen the two, another important point. There's a difference between a fighter being willing to go down in weight vs a fighter being coerced or manipulated into it.

 

That response was intended to be cringeworthy and over the top in response to the cringeworthy posts that complained about the length of the two initial posts like there was something wrong with that. They needed to be that long. There was a lot to cover and go through there and I did so without coming across as the savior of the forum. I only went into being the savior of the forum mode in response to being trolled about the initial posts being so long. Turnabout fair play. If you're gonna troll me and try to detract from the topic complaining about how long posts are after I kindly asked in the initial post to resist the urge to go that route, then I have every right to counter troll them in any way I see fit. Again they threw the first punch by trying to detract from the substantive points I made by complaining about how long the posts were.

If you noticed, my initial two posts and all subsequent replies were not in any way shape or form cringeworthy or over the top like the one you referenced. That was in response to posts that only serve to detract and marginalize the topic and the well thought out and substantive points that needed to be made.

Just try and differentiate between the delivery of the over the top response that you're referring to vs my initial posts and initial replies. I only did that to counter the trolls who complained about how long the initial posts were with an excessive dose of self-importance.

As far as the perception that Canelo "made" Bivol boil down if they agree to fight at 168, despite whatever Bivol may say, you've highlighted the faulty logic that would take hold if not for this topic which clearly exposes that mindset. That's the whole point of this, to say the perception is severely flawed if Canelo would still be blamed for somehow making Bivol boil down despite Bivol clearly being willing and even having a desire to do so. (and his promoter who spoke about wanting to unify at 168 in the latest interview)

It is utterly absurd for Canelo to be blamed for forcing to fight him at 168 when we can see clearly that Bivol has expressed a desire and a willingness to do so of his own volition. Same with Ward Dawson. No one blamed Ward there. It was not Ward's idea, Dawson offered to come down. And in the other topic with Joker we just established that we can't blame Pac for Oscar moving down to 147 to fight him.

So again, we're dealing with faulty double standards if that's the perception despite Bivol's own statements about wanting to move down to 168. This is a problem that needs rectifying which is why this topic was needed. You can try to make this about me or attacking my posting style, but this isn't about me and I don't take it personally. This is about exposing the clear anti-Canelo and biased double-standards that exist around here that I have so eloquently highlighted.

 

Weight draining Bivol? Bivol said he can make 168 no problem. Was Ward melting down to 168 while weight draining Dawson? Of course not.

And who's fault would that be? Canelo wanted to fight Plant, Plant backed out. Canelo is trying to find an opponent. You can't make people fight him. Fighters need to want it and be willing to make fights happen in a timely fashion and not be divas about it.