Why don't we hardly ever see intertesting matches like this in heavyweight? All we get is Anthony Joshua fighting old boxers like Klitschko, Povetkin, Pulev etc. We should see young boxers fighting each other.
You are correct. Its easy to see that Joyce would KO Wilder: - Joyce has 'A' grade chin and brings pressure. - Wilder has 'B' grade chin and cant handle pressure. - Wilder cant fight going backwards.
I'm sorry, but if Fury barely survived Wilders right hand in the first fight, what makes you think a slow stiff Joyce would be able to take the same punishment?
If Duhapaus can survive Wilder's punches and an onslaught then Joyce can to. Fury was about 60% in the first Wilder fight and on low energy in the 12th got floored Joyce surviving the first 4 rounds till Wilder blows his load is easily done. Joyce can box behind his jab really well when he wants to also. Joyce is no 50 year old Luis Ortiz. Football hooligan or bum Scott who will take a dive for his mate. Wilder is CLEARLY intimidated by brits. Fury, AJ ,Whyte Joyce, Khan He don't wanna know!
He's about as proven as Ortiz, when it comes to resume... He's also slower and easier to hit. Ortiz is massively overrated, gatekeeper level at best, but Joyce is also becoming seriously overrated as well. Joyce against Wilder would certainly be interesting, and I'd think Wilder has a very good chance (despite being yet another absurdly overrated fighter).
That is true. That's why I said if. I remember when people thought Breazeale had a good chance against Wilder because he had power & a good chin. Then he got blasted out & they had their excuses ready. I can see the same for Joyce. If he can't take his punch, then he gets blasted out just like Breazeale.
Agreed. TBH I even thought Breazeale stood a decent chance beforehand, didn't turn out that way for him, but that's boxing. No need for excuses, in hindsight Breazeale stood less of a chance than I thought initially. For all that Wilder is technically limited and refuses to fight genuine contenders in good condition, he's pretty quick and better at weathering storms than he's given credit for. There's a tendency in these discussions for people to rate everything in 9's and 10's or 0's and 1's - very rarely is the middle ground acknowledged. For example - Wilder got knocked out by "featherfisted" Fury the first time he ever properly let his hands go? Glass jaw. Joyce took the biggest hits Dubois could throw, so despite getting TKO'd more than once in amateurs his chin is clearly granite and the hardest puncher currently ain't going to get him out of there. True, heavy punches will take out Wilder - but Fury is far quicker and trickier than Joyce, so the question is how well Joyce can dictate the fight and how much pressure can he put on a much faster man? True, Joyce's chin looks better than his amateur days but he's still ridiculously easy to hit for someone demanding title shots, since he probably can't avoid the bombs, can he stay on his feet? It'd be an interesting fight, I'd favour Wilder pretty strongly (and I've been pretty scathing of him in the past - he's not a top 3 level fighter, his resume probably doesn't even justify top 5 - but Joyce is no more proven either). Joyce has the hype on his side right now around here, which makes me very wary of the many who seem pretty certain he wins this, especially when it goes against my own thinking on it.
This is true so to think Wilder doesn't have a chance is silly. We know Joyce has a good chin but nobody can now for sure of he'll brush it off or get pole axed like Breazeale. I'd say Joyce has a better chin than Breazeale but even then that doesn't mean he can take Wilder's best shot.
Making a judgement on Wilder at this time is difficult. We really have not seen how he adapts after getting beaten down in his last fight. Some fighter come back better after a defeat wanting to never feel that agony of defeat again. Some fighter learn to lose and decide it's not worth going all out since life after a loss is still ok. Stylistically, Joyce is there to be hit. He's a got a good chin. and uses some subtle movements to ride the punches. It all comes down to if he can take a couple of flush shits from Wilder. If he can, he clubs Wilder down.
I too thought Breazeale had a good chance. I thought with his size, a solid chin and aggression he could get Wilder on the back foot which I had already noticed along with others was a weakness in his style. But Breazeale started too slowly and his jab was a liability as it was too easy to counter. He did have some success rocking Wilder back when he was under fire in the corner but instead of pressing his advantage and forcing Wilder back he just stood in front of him doing nothing. You can't just stand there right in front of Wilder like that, either be pushing him back or moving away yourself making him reset his feet otherwise he sets his feet and that right hand ends things. I think Joyce won't end up like Breazeale he moves better, he rarely just stands there. He has better jab than Breazeale too but he is open to that right hand, if Wilder is allowed to set and throw, he could be in real trouble. As for the 3 TKO's on Joyce record. The Kuzmin stoppage he did get caught with a massive punch, but thing is he got right back up and didn't even look hurt. But no guarantee he does that vs Wilder, but then Fury did it. The first stoppage on his record was actually vs Joshua and based on what Joyce says it was 3 standing 8 counts, he didn't even go down. The other TKO I haven't been able to find footage off. Maybe he was hurt badly, maybe like vs Kuzmin he got up and was fine, maybe it was standing 8 counts again.
Unless Joyce gets to him first, I’ll have to go with Wilder. Anyone that can outbox Wilder, you have to ask yourself if Wilder can catch them, and if they can stop Wilder fast, before it happens. Joyce outboxes him, for sure. However, I don’t think Joyce can get rid of him early. At some point Wilder will land something big, given how hittable Joyce is, and that’ll be the end of it.
