Would Hagler Have Stopped Lamotta At Their Best?

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  1. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    LOL yes Jake would totally stop Hagler, I am sure of it I mean look at all the evidence right?
     
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  2. The Professor

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    No. LaMotta had an iron chin.
     
  3. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think he stops Jake but I do think he would out point him. Aside from being tough as nails, Jake was damn good defensively.

    Honest question, how many southpaws did Jake fight? I would venture to say not many as that time period was notorious for converting southpaws ro conventional fighters.

    Bob Murphy is the only top southpaw that I can think of that he fought.
     
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  4. Indefatigable

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    You're way off on La Motta.Jake would tenderize MH ribs and be in his chest all night. Marvin would feel it plus eating jabs and hooks. 1 or 2 cuts in a viscious fight starts the blood. Ref stops fight. Hagler aint hurting Jake and when in his prime was Jakes face ever chopped up. Even vs. Robby 6 his face didn't bust up under all his hellfire rained down on him the last 2 rds.
     
  5. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Neither guy would be stopped. Would be a great back and forth fight, with Hagler winning 3 of the 5 matches they undertake. All 5 bouts are won by decision.
     
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    No way is Jake beating Marvin Hagler.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    Zivic. Hagler wasn't prone to cutting at his peak.
     
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  8. Indefatigable

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    Yes. He was. Briscoe. Antuofermo. Hamsho. Duran. Hearns. Others before Briscoe.
     
  9. Indefatigable

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    Most oldtimers who saw them both disagree with you.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    The Hamsho cut was caused by a headbutt. The cut against Antuofermo was near the end of the fight and negligible as was the one against Briscoe.

    He swelled a bit against Duran but didn't bleed until late and caught a thumb in the 12th as well. I'd go as far as saying he was starting to taper off a little by the Duran fight and by the time he fought Tommy he was past his utter best and was becoming more susceptible to cut as he had a bit of scar tissue going on by then.

    It's pretty decent going when a sharp shooter like Duran even at 160 chases a swollen eye for 9 rounds and doesn't get close to making it a big factor. In all these fights except Hearns the cut never became a prominent factor.
     
  11. META5

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    Robbi was a better pure fighter than Hagler on the day of the Valentine's Day Massacre, but Hagler enjoys stylistic advantages in comparison to La Motta that Robbi didn't.

    Firstly, the Hagler jab was more powerful and with the way a prime Hagler lept into it and then threw combinations off it, whilst slipping and ducking return fire - Hagler isn't getting caught with the same pawing shots that Robbi did to get his shot off.
    I don't see La Motta being able to bull his way through Hagler as he did with Robbi - whilst Jake still remains the bigger man, Marvin was strong, had a very good hook, brilliant chin and warrior's spirit.

    The switch-hitting - I could see Hagler offsetting Jake's rhythm, catching him unbalanced, Jake unable to read his offence well enough to time consistent counters - Hagler won't KO Jake but a kind referee may stop on accumulation. Hagler's jab and combos busted up fighters something else.
     
  12. Stevie G

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    Would be a tough assignment stopping Jake but I see Marvin pitching a near shutout.
     
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  13. Indefatigable

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    Bull****. Briscoe cut him wide open. And there was no Duran thumb. The HAMSHO cut was bad too. Your whole post is full of ****!
     
  14. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Maybe. He'd definitely win the fight though. No doubt.
     
  15. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm a fan of both of them but I think Hagler has a little more versatility than Jake that will help him.

    Serious question, do you know how many southpaws Jake faced? I can only think of Bob Murphy which was way late in his career. I'm to lazy to look it up but I know you know a lot about Jake so I figured I would ask.
     
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