Bivol will have 6 weeks to prepare for Canelo

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have no problem with you pointing out that something that was being claimed was unfair. But what Plant says vs what happened during negotiations could be two different things. For all we know Plant may have objected to demands along the way. Also for Plant to say that Canelo had other "ridiculous requests" that suggests that Plant must have had plenty of objections to what was being demandd along the way. But without Plant specifying what demands that he claims were "ridiculous" then we have no way of knowing if its unfair or fair to say that Plant backed out of the fight. For him to feel the need to seek out an ESPN reported and say that he agreed to all the demands but then to say that there were requests that he said were ridiculous, that right there suggests that he may have very well backed himself out of the fight by not agreeing to some of Team Canelo's requests and then felt a need to spin a narrative to the world about what happened and how Canelo's team was being unreasonable, or "ridiculous" as Plant claimed.
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    We only have one side of the story. Plants. He said he agreed to everything.

    If Canelo comes out and refutes that we can debate who we side with, but right now there's no argument.
     
  3. shadow111

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    LOL we can't debate who we side with UNTIL Canelo comes out and refutes that? Who are you to decide what can be debated and when in regards to what happened during the negotiations? Canelo or his team don't seek out ESPN to tell them his side of the story about what happened during negotiations like Plant did. Plant was doing damage control for the deal not being made through his promoter PBC. I'm sure we'll find out the full story of what happened soon enough, but in the meantime we are free to debate what happened, who we side with, etc. Plant doesn't have some kind of magical upper hand because he did an interview with ESPN. The whole situation is being interpreted in many ways.

    We knew going in this was going to be a difficult negotiation because Canelo's team wants a big payday, share of the PPV buys etc but they are also trying to fight on a network who he's never done business with before and in the deal is returning to a format (PPV) that he hasn't had to do since GGG. Also it could be an Arena instead of a Stadium. It's a difficult negotiation between two parties who do business differently.

    I think part of the problem here is that PBC will not let Plant fight on DAZN, so DAZN may be making a bigger offer to Cnaelo to fight Plant and that's what Canelo and his team are requesting from PBC. If Plant was allowed to fight on DAZN then probably he would and they would both make more $$. PBC would naturally have an incentive to low ball Canelo at least in terms of guarantees in a one fight deal because they're not used to Canelo numbers or putting up that kind of $$ in guarantees. If PBC cannot match DAZN's offer, then PBC really should allow Plant to fight Canelo on DAZN so the guaranteed $$ won't be a problem. DAZN and PBC should really work together and do a co-promoted PPV.
     
  4. sdot_thadon

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    So what you're telling is you know better than the sanctioning bodies, the trainers involved, and the damn court transcript? And we have the nerve to type the word silly. I need to understand why your word is more reliable than theirs is.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    Well how can we side with anything when there's only one side to the argument.

    We don't even know if there is another side to the argument, that's the point.

    We know Plant said he agreed to everything and the deal fell through, no reason to think anything else.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First PBC was trying to get Canelo to agree to a multi-fight deal. Canelo didn't want a multi-fight deal with PBC. He wants to be a free agent and fight on DAZN or for whatever network he wants after he fights Plant.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    Not really relevant to what I posted mate.

    All I said was Plant didn't back out, and then linked an interview.
     
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  8. 15Hosier2004

    15Hosier2004 I tell people what they do not want to hear Full Member

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    Bivol has been in the gym working his ass off, so the preparing for 6 weeks will be fine. Canelo has been on vacation had a long break and has just started training again so the 6 weeks is not a problem really. But my only problem is that bivol is going to be compromised because he has to go down to 168 so he has not got enough time to cut healthily and will be drained . And why on earth is it gonna be at 168? canelo is so called P4P so should he want to fight his opponents at there best not compromised? like come on...its ridiculous.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    Do you have a source for the fight being at 168?
     
  10. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    I'm a friend of Tony's yes & also supported him since 1999.
    He was NEVER proven to have done anything wrong. This was all started by Nazim Richardson's claim he'd seen Plaster Blocks fall from Tony's wrap. When the lab tested the pad it was just a used gauze pad Javier has mistakenly picked up instead of the new one. No plaster was ever discovered. No "White substance like plaster" on it as was claimed by a CSAC Insp. NO Plaster Blocks were ever found. The lab declared the pad harmless, though technically illegal, to his opponent or of any advantage to him. But by this time the CSAC has suspended Tony on suspicion. He was out for 2 years as the CSAC voted not to give him his license back. He was judged & found guilty by the prosecution ONLY!! That my friend was a Kangaroo court found guilty with only lies as evidence.
    A nice guys good name & career ruined & all he actually did wrong was Kick Miguel Cotto's butt when he wasnt supposed to
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    It just seems you make every attempt to exonerate Margo of wrongdoing. Yet make every attempt to further accuse Canelo of wrong doing.

    Doesn't seem very consistent to me.
     
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  12. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Their was NEVER any court proceedings Margarito was merely SUSPECTED! of try to load his gloves. Show me one iota of proof there was any actual plaster EVER found the CSAC couldnt because the lab tests only stated
    "After microscopic analysis minute traces of sulphur & calcium were found, which could be ingredients of plaster
    in much higher concentration". Both Calcium & sulphur are ingredients of human sweat too n the amounts discovered
    Its over the CSAC & Nazim ruined an innocent mans career
     
  13. bandeedo

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    never heard a fighter claim he couldnt train on his counterpunching today cause hes watching his diet and hitting the sauna. and ive known a good number of them personally. have you heard any?
     
  14. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    I'm against cheating in boxing PERIOD!! The sport is dangerous enough as it is. I know how this all affected Margarito being accused & suspended for something he never did
    C'mon man everyone & his dog knows Canelo will never be allowed to lose in Vegas as long as he's still standing.
    He popped dirty for Ped's too got caught even the NSAC couldnt weasel him out of that one lol
     
  15. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    C'mon man if that was true every person in Mexico would prove positive for clenbuterol ROFL! Why havent any other boxers from Mexico popped dirty???
    I reckon Canelo screwed up he didnt expect to get tested in Mexico but USADA surprised him lol