With better guidance and direction could Mike Tyson have beat Marciano's 49-0 HW record?

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  1. Indefatigable

    Indefatigable Active Member banned Full Member

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  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tokyo Douglas beats him that night if he had gone to bed at 8 p.m. and eaten Wheaties for breakfast.
     
  3. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Tyson won the title when he did against Berbick, by 1992 Bowe would have mowed him over, though not without taking damage himself. Maybe 6 rounds.

    '92-94 Holy would have stopped him in 8.

    I think Lewis would lose in the early 90s, then destroy him in the rematch.
     
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  4. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't rule out the possibility, although there are just too many "ifs" and it was the way it was.

    I think Tyson had to train harder than many other heavyweights to be at his best. Since he is quite a small heavyweight, he had to compensate his physical disadvantages with speed, physical condition, precision and technique (like his Peek-a-boo)... This requires long-term hard work, ambitions, mental strength and strategic focus like Rocky Marciano + he should avoid jail time. His personal attitude would probably be more important than any trainer. Maybe then he could have made it, because he was still young and he had the talent.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    I would agree with this. I do think having a guy like Rooney who could train the style was quite beneficial tho.
     
  6. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson with Patterson's focus and work ethic (and not going off the rails with vices) maaaybe has a shot. Hes still going to need to get past an extremely motivated Douglas, Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis. There for sure are gonna be less elite guys sprinkled between these fights (Alex Stewart, Razor Ruddock, Oliver McCall, maybe a rematch with Tucker or Bruno earlier since they were with King).

    For Tyson to have a shot to do this he would need to be focused which we know he wasn't fully during this time.
     
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  7. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, he could have retired unbeaten around 95/96 had he kept Rooney by his side.
     
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  8. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    With Rooney by his side, he gets past both.
    Although already a huge roider by 92, Holyfield wasn't that big yet. Tyson still had the edge in speed and power.
    And Tyson had a far better defense than Bowe, so he will outland him.
     
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  9. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he remained focused, Tyson retires undefeated.
     
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  10. swagdelfadeel

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    I can't see Bowe beating a prime Tyson with how open he was.
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    We’ll never know
     
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  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bowe did get hit an AWFUL lot.
     
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  13. Seamus

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    Despite my misgivings in comparing Tyson's and Marciano's respective levels of competition, in terms of professionalism, there is little comparison. You never had to guess what version of Marciano would be entering the ring. It would always be the best prepared version. Much respect.
     
  14. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very cool and fair of you, @Seamus
     
  15. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mike Tyson's career was as carefully choreographed as any career in history. The planning and execution was meticulous. It was Tyson himself that blew it.