There's too much upside to not pull out of a fight against a KO artist you've just dominated that no one wants to see for a 3rd time. Faking illness makes perfect sense for Fury. There's a not insignificant chance that Joshua either loses or looks like dogs**t against Usyk. There's also a not insignificant chance that Wilder fights bombs away in the 3rd fight and gets lucky. Fury's message to Joshua is simple: I've faced the top threat in the division 3 times (Champ Vlad, Wilderx2), you've faced a 41 year old belt-less Vlad - you do some work I'll kick back. Usyk, while I don't give him a huge chance of winning and close to 0 chance of winning a decision, is a credible opponent. He is the biggest risk for the AJ brand since 41 year old Vlad. If Parker was able to have a tit for tat close fight, and Ruiz was able to batter AJ and make him quit, it's not inconceivable that Usyk can do something to massively shake up the heavyweight scene. I was certainly looking forward to July 24, but we can't be shocked by this move by Fury.
Usyk winning will dent Fury's motivation to nothing It would be yet another stark reminder that Wilder or a pure boxer like Usyk are the most dangerous men at heavyweight. Not muscle bound weightlifters who knock over old midgets like Wlad was doing.
All of this BS could have been avoided if Fury acted like a professional. We should be looking for the Fury/AJ fight this month or September. Now AJ runs the risk of being outboxed by Usyk. With the power of Wilder, a Fury win is not a lock either.
You’re right about one thing we can’t be shocked by this move from fury. He has a history of dodging rematches and ducking fights and prefers to feast on the likes of Sefer Seferi and Tom Schwartz.
So now you guys are giving fury another pass? For faking Covid? Man, what happened to boxing fans? 0 title defenses and hasn't fought in 2 years. Fury is a con man, a fraud and he is sitting on the belts
That's a complete myth. He's been in one 50-50 bout his entire career and that was against Fury's sloppy seconds in an old, inactive Klitschko coming off a loss and fighting in Wembley (surprise, surprise). "Beating" the likes of Charles Martin and defending the title against Molina and Breazeale is laughable. Then there's Paint Dry Parker who is as mediocre as it gets. Old Povetkin, who was dropped by David Price in his previous bout, Pudding Pulev who is about 40 and hadn't beaten anybody in his career, Dillian Whyte who was out of shape and injured, Rice Pudding Jr who battered the crap out of him... Good joke. Funny how people like yourself just ignore the losses as if a record shouldn't be weighed up with wins and losses. Fury is the only man who will have 4 victories at the top level come October.
Best overall record, but definitely not best signature wins. He's also had every single fight as the home fighter which is a massive advantage - either by fighting in England on MR shows or as the "home" fighter on a MR show in Saudi or MSG. I don't think it'll happen as he's such a cash cow - but I'd like to see him fight (and win) against one of the top guys as the away fighter for once.
Do you think that wins over Martin, Molina, Takam, Breazeale, Whyte, Parker, Pulev, Povetkin and Ruiz compensates in any way for lack of top wins? These are all never in doubt wins, in his home arena, and he even managed to get spanked by Ruiz (in USA). I've seen people cite old Pudding Pulev as a "top 10 win". If that's a "top 10 win", what does it really mean? Because the guy has never beaten anybody good in his whole career and was crap against Joshua.
There is literally no point in debating someone who obviously has it out for AJ. You do whatever you can to say something negative about ALL AJ's opponents... Even though I like Joshua, I don't have it out for Fury, nor do I ignore the fact that he has the most impressive victory with his domination of Wladmir. But you go out of your way to obliterate all of AJ's opponents... Then make the claim that Fury is the only man to have 4 victories at top level... 3 of them coming against the same ****ing fighter! And that same ****ing fighter has made a long career of fighting the likes of Molina, Stiverne, Washginton, Martin and Brazeale, which make up the bulk up of his victories while being Champion, the sort of title defences you criticized Joshua for, and we're supposed to consider these 3 victories against the same opponent the fact that settles it all? Fury's record is better than Joshua's because, according to you, that's a greater quantity of top level fights? 3 wins against a joke of a man who's delusional and made a career of smacking bums? What a joke of a ****ing argument. At the end of the day 5/6 of Joshua's best opponents could be argued to be in and around the top 10 at the time of Joshua fighting them. Only two of Fury or Wilder's opponents could be argued top 10, and Wilder has only beaten one of them in Ortiz. Which begs the question how much of an achievement beating Wilder really is. Wilder showed he was basically a touch above Ortiz in quality, considering the fact that he was lucky not to get TKO'd in the first fight, and was being dominated in the 2nd fight. If you're gonna cry about the age of AJ's opponents, look at Wilder's best win - Against a 40 year old who many people believe is actually older. TL;DR - Fury and Wilder's records are inferior to Joshua's. Simple as. Besides Wilder and Wladmir, who is Fury's next best opponent? Chisora or Wallin? LMFAO.
The CV debates are boring because ultimately they’re subjective. What’s your thoughts on the Joshua only fighting as a home fighter point though? That can’t be debated because it’s a fact.
You're completely all over the place with your fallacious conception of what it is to be a good name on a record. Wilder is no world beater and neither is Wladimir Klitschko (who was battered several times by mediocre opponents), yet, in this era, they are without a doubt two of the top boxers (along with Fury, Joshua and likely Usyk). You simply can't handle any kind of criticism of your hero (to whom you so affectionally refer as "AJ"). You so desperately cling on to this "top 10" argument as if it has any weight. It's laughable, because there's such a gulf in quality between the actual top guys and the rest. You're like the clowns who watch Dwyer and claim he gives Joshua no credit. I give him plenty of credit and think he would be competitive and a good edition to any era. But your hysteria can't see past that. Joshua could beat Parker, Martin, Takam, Breazeale, Pulev and Povetkin on the same night and it still wouldn't be as good as beating Wilder. Wilder doesn't have names on his record, but neither did Wladimir Klitschko when he went on his reign over old, short or useless bums who were completely overmatched on his spongy canvas, but that doesn't seem to matter to nostalgics today on the forum, does it? Can you figure out why? It's the bouts that are not a foregone conclusion that matter, look at the odds for every Joshua bout against "top 10" legends like Molina, Paint Dry, Breazeale, Takam, Martin and Pulev. You give vegans a bad name. You're probably one of these low-carbohydrate ketosis zombies. Your temperament suggests as much. Calm your pants.
