So? The U.S has 10 tens the land mass (as if that is actually relevant) and 5 times the people that Britain has, and look where they are. Even Bulgaria got a gold, something the U.S failed to achieve. Besides, Cuba is an amateur boxing superpower, everyone knows it. Still, I'm proud of my relatively small nation doing so well, both in the ring and in the wider Olympics. Not quite as successful as London, or Rio, where we finished third and then second respectively on the overall medal table (an incredible achievement that doesn't get the recognition it deserves), but 4th is ok...it'll do.
...so, you didn't read my whole post. I did chastise the Yank team for a rather poor showing at tenth place overall. (despite some nice individual performances) Nor did I fail to credit the Brits. Was just responding to Serge's boast (he's the one that brought up landmass) that Cuba was even more impressive tbf. And yes of course that is down to it being Cuba, they'll always be the horse the rest is chasing around the course in amateur boxing. Still doesn't mean they shouldn't be soundly praised for an excellent year.
Looks that in US am boxing is not enough popular. They even looks ( I do have this impression from users comments in forums ) does not knows that majority of their boxing stars in Golden era for US boxing were good also as am boxers. Am= it does sucks is casual answer in forums. Doesn't looks that amateur boxing experience was not valuable thing for boxers like Patterson, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Oscar or Andre Ward or even Holyfield or Wilder. Casual answer from US posters: am boxing does su**********. Usually.
I might suggest boxing fans from US not to lurk in internet forums, instead ask Mr George Foreman what meaning for him did had Olympic Gold in boxing. He is from US and still is alive today. To get understanding what this stuff is for boxer.
Well, US had so called " Golden Era " when notable pro boxers previously were notable am boxers: this is US boxing era Patterson-Ali-Frazier-Foreman. It is a bit strange that today a lot of boxing fans just are using mantra: am boxing s*********** . If to compare with this one.
But where do you see anyone saying that now, in this very thread? Nobody is making excuses for the American boxers. The amateur scene is flourishing...which actually makes nabbing a few silvers a respectable achievement. Though with our size and resources we really ought to have more, and preferably at least one gold to break out drought.
Uzbekistan & Kazakhstan only managed one Olympic final between them. For an Asian games, that's probably a bit disappointing from their perspectives although claiming gold in the Super Heavy division is a bit like winning the 100m in boxing I guess. If Jalolov's chin & stamina prove to be okay, they've got a good one there. As we've seen with Hrgovic though, he needs to have some money behind him to make it happen.
I had another meaning for my post: a lot of posters, pro boxing fans does not respect am boxing and this is in xxxxxxxxxxx fourms and xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx posts. While bunches with great pro boxers from the same US before pro career were very good amateur boxers. Pro boxing fans in general not rare cases does not feel connection between boxers am and pro careers.
I'm a boxing fan, period. Unqualified. That is to say, not just American boxing, not just pro, not just men's...
Yep. In America the average boxing fan doesn't really care for much about the nuances of the sport or the amateurs. They just say the same trite things as "It's a different sport" " I don't watch cause they're biased against black or US fighters" etc. Emanuel Steward, the greatest mind of modern boxing said flat out pedigree is important and that it's key in having a great fighter. Take that as you will.
His style isn't punishment heavy that's the point. He catches a lot of shots on the gloves. Do you see his face when he fight's most of the time? He didn't go undefeated in years, beating all sorts of elite opponents and etc without having fundamentals. What fighter out of this modern Ukrainian system has no defense? He wouldn't use that peekaboo style guard if he didn't have one.That's the point that assessment isn't yours as a layman, and frankly --- ya know what nvm to make. Many pressure fighter's have made great pros. We can't see the future, and don't feign competence doing it. If he didn't have a single upset loss in a streak of wins you wouldn't be saying that. That's my point here. It's easy to be a guy on you're keyboard judging a guy, as if you know more than anyone else. Scott Christ from BadLeftHook said they'll both be good pros. I agree with that assessment. Effective trainers, will to win, proper matchmaking that goes into being a good pro. The overwhelming majority of high pedigree fighter's become good pros. That same argument could've been made for Derevyenchenko, Castano or even as far as Berinchyk. SSR eats shots flat out with his face and is still a solid fighter. I saw a lot of the pure boxers in this tournament eat a lot of punishment as well, see the point? I saw Pat McCormack almost get stopped, I saw Keyshawn davis eat many hooks and rights from Bachkov, and plenty of ACG's jabs. I'm a fan of pure outfighters stylistically, but I noticed people show no respect for JCC, Golovkin type boxers and no one mentiones the subtleties they bring in the ring.