The Best of the Rest: 160lbs Tier II Tournie - Round 1 - Fight 13: Michael Nunn TKO13 Luis Rodriguez

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Who will win?

Poll closed Aug 27, 2021.
  1. Rodriguez Points

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  2. Rodriguez T/KO

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  3. Nunn T/KO

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  4. Nunn POints

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What i've done is i've lifted top tiers out of my top fifty at the poundage and organised them into a seeded tournament to uncover "the best of the rest" at the poundage, with you, the denizens of the world's greatest boxing history forum, casting the deciding vote. The difference between this middleweight tournament and the equivalent at 175lbs is that I've left ALL the guys with no footage in this time. I understand that makes things difficult and for some, frustrating but there are just far too many excellent and intriguing fighters from middleweight history. I understand this makes making a pick very hard, but i hope you'll still place a vote and make a post because obviously without your input the whole thing becomes meaningless.

    Pick your man! Write however many details you like or don't in a post below. But maybe try to post, to keep things moving a little bit. You have three days.

    And let's be nice. No reason for disagreeing over total fantasies after all!

    15 rounds, 1950s rules and ref. Ten points must. Weigh in is 18 hours before the fight.

    I'll only vote if it's tied, then I'll decide the result.

    Round of Thirty-Two Fight 13: Michael Nunn vs Luis Manuel Rodriguez

    MICHAEL NUNN (58-4)

    Michael Nunn was huge, fast, powerful and a southpaw, an absolutely terrifying mix of attributes that made him one of the most feared fighters on the planet in the late 1980s.

    Nursed a little through his early years as a professional, decent wins over unranked fighters like Darnell Knox and Willie Harris seemed perhaps to have left him unprepared for his first ranked opponent, strap holder Frank Tate, a fighter who held two victories over Nunn in the amateurs and who was 23-0 as a professional. Watching the fight now, one can see what it was that Tate set out to do, namely nail down a flashy, elusive opponent with textbook boxing and patient pressure, but he was completely outclassed. Nunn had such speed and accuracy that he could find punches that Tate was not equipped to deal with, reaching all the way across himself with a trailing left to land a power-punch below Tate’s right elbow after blasting him with a more traditional southpaw jab. Meanwhile Tate’s own punches, for the most part, were lost to the wind as Nunn ditched them with a reaction’s based defence that left Tate clawing at the air. The left-hand Nunn used to fold Tate to the canvas at the end of the eighth looked almost incidental to the general sea of leather Nunn crashed down on Tate’s shore but it heralded the end in round nine among a tsunami of hooks that forced referee Mills Lane to intervene.

    Nunn had taken his amateur style and fused it to the cornerstones of a professional fighter, throwing with bad intentions and boxing with a heart-fuelled determination to dominate his opponent. It was a heady combination and his victory over Tate heralded four years of fearsome middleweight tyranny that included a three year reign as the lineal middleweight champion. This most important of titles was sealed after his brutal retirement of the old warhorse Juan Domingo Roldan with the most astonishing knockout of 1989, his first round dispatch of Sumbu Kalambay.

    Kalambay was supposed to be a step up for Nunn, a class apart from what had gone before. Nunn destroyed him with a single punch, and more impressive, a single punch of exactly the type that Kalambay excelled in throwing, a straight thrown against an opponent who had been manoeuvred directly across him. Kalambay victim Iran Barkley was up next, and he provided his usual level of stubborn resistance, even taking a draw on one of the official scorecards (and mine), Nunn winning by a narrow margin from an aggressive opponent. Uncertainty regarding Nunn’s fighting qualities, rampant before his destruction of Kalambay, re-emerged. These were deepened still further by a desperately close majority decision win over Marlon Starling, the wonderful welterweight champion. Nunn, bigger than most of his middleweight opposition, held an almost comical size advantage over Starling but the welterweight king repeatedly found his larger opponent with lead right-hands. Nunn reclaimed some ground overwhelming another former welterweight champion, Don Curry, in ten, but then a menacing and full-sized middleweight stepped out of the shadow and knocked him catastrophically out; with that the reign of James Toney began.

    LUIS RODRIGUEZ (49-3)

    Wildcard Luis Manuel Rodriguez flirted with the weights above his home at welteralmost rfomr the very beginning, slick enough and quick enough that he could find larger opponents without being hurt. A young Ruben Carter was probably his most significant early opponent and he did provide the test for his middleweight jaw with a booming right hand in the fourth; Rodriguez slumped, clinched, but did not fall. When he was caught by the same punch in the tenth, Rodriguez surely felt he was equal to it and in all likelihood to each and every punch he would suffer at 160lbs. His ten round decision over Carter was deserved.

    Carter only landed "four clean rights" according to one ringside report as Rodriguez jabbed and moved his way to clear victory.

    This style would have its limitations; most of his losses were at MW for a reason - Nino Benvenuti certainly was able to undermine his Carter-proven ability to hold a middleweight punch in a fight that Rodriguez was on his way to winning and to achieving MW immortality as the world's middleweight champion. A punch he didn't see trapped him as a contender rather than champion.
     
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  2. McGrain

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  3. McGrain

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    Much slickness.
     
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    From Carter-Rodriguez. Beautiful shot.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Not one post for this meeting of elite slickness?
     
  6. Flo_Raiden

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    This is an interesting match up between 2 slick boxers, hard to decide. Both had all the tools in their arsenal. I think Nunn was more physically talented and had the advantage in height, reach, and speed. Rodriguez was more energetic, threw lots of punches while bouncing around, and he liked to mix it up close. Both had great footwork and it’s a matter on who decides to move away and counter first. At a distance Nunn has the edge but I think Rodriguez has the better infighting skills.

    Might have to favor Nunn on this one by decision due to his size and speed advantage. Rodriguez was more of a natural WW, although he did beat a guy like George Benton. At his best Nunn was phenomenal and a very difficult fighter to beat. He’s shown that he can deal with world class technicians like Kalambay. Not sure if Rodriguez has fought a slick southpaw, let alone a tall quick MW like Nunn. Nunn will have a long night against the Cuban but will do just enough to outpoint him IMO.
     
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    Much slickness indeed.

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  8. Jel

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    Rodriguez was the greater fighter but Nunn was probably too much for him at middleweight.
     
  9. KasimirKid

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    "This style would have its limitations; most of his losses were at MW for a reason ."

    So why have him in this tournament? Why not at welterweight when he was at his best?
     
  10. McGrain

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    Is this a joke?
     
  11. KasimirKid

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    No, not at all. I guess I just don't understand the point of these tournaments. My viewpoint is probably just too narrow. You can disregard the comment if you like. I just think it does a disservice to the the memory of Luis' abilities by placing him in a division where you start off with the premise that he was over-matched against the top middleweights.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Please don't let the door hit you on the way out.
     
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  13. Scott Cork

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    Rodriguez isn't an elite middleweight imo. Although I think he's arguably the goat at welter.
     
  14. KasimirKid

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    Bye!
     
  15. Mike Cannon

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    I don't have a problem with this point of view, and makes sense in my eyes, and further more I believe your ( McGrain ) comment was uncalled for, and petulant . keep well.