John Ruiz trying to sell a fight

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Washed up Holyfiend got the better of him, Golota was a gift decision, Rahman was an extremely inconsistent fighter, Johnson he faked low blows for a DQ win.
     
  2. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Okay, you're speaking partial truths, and twisting them as part of some agenda. Lewis refused to defend against Ruiz, but not because he was afraid of him like you seem to think. The Grant fight was largely seen as the more dangerous and marketable fight - Grant was an undefeated 6'7 athletic HW with power, and much better wins than Ruiz.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Who cares? Ruiz was not an elite fighter.
     
  4. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Good to see boxing fans see through this FRAUD. Any time this cheater comes up, it should noted that Ruiz only "won" fights against decent fighters by breaking the RULES against excessive holding. And, in several fights by blatantly overacting to draw bogus low blow calls to get crucial point deductions (Thunder, Holyfield II) or a bogus DQ (Johnson). His entire career against world class opposition is utterly fraudulent. Without Don King, he's a regional beltholder, at best.

    People should be as upset - if not moreso - at these forms of cheating as they seem to get over PED use. And Ruiz is the worst ever practitioner of this, a glorified clubfighter who - if it weren't for shenanigans inside the ring and corruption outside of it - would be best remembered for getting starched by David Tua in 19 seconds.
     
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  5. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That HW era was such a mess.
     
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  6. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was a contender who deserved a shot. It would have been interesting to see how Lewis would handle him.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    A lot easier than Jones did considering Lewis would have destroyed Roy at heavyweight and beat Tua with ease also.
     
  8. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pretty much my take. His terribly unaesthetic style worked for him. Only a few HW's had an easy time with him.
     
  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would add that in retrospect, Ruiz would have been a better win, but 100% truth that at the time it looked as if Lewis was running towards the bigger challenge and the more dangerous opponent. Well spoken.
     
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  10. Zakman

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    What he did was against the RULES of boxing, and frankly good sportsmanship. He is every bit as much a cheater - worse, actually - then those who take PEDs. From the excessive holding, to the gift decisions, to the blatant and repeated faking of "low blows" - everything this glorified clubfighter did was a disgrace to this fine sport. Without Don King, he wouldn't have a single "victory" over any decent fighter.
     
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  11. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Agreed 100%, and who knows what the trajectory of Ruizs career would have looked like had he been given the Lewis fight? He very likely would have suffered a similarly one sided beatdown. Grant wasn't the same after that, even if he was a bit of a hypejob.
     
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  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Excellent point.
     
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  13. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Take it up with the refs...
     
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  14. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If a world champion is not an "elite fighter", then who is? A better than average champion, a legendary champion?

    I think the definition of "elite" on this forum is awry. An elite athlete is anyone who competes for the highest accolades in their sport. You'd have to be overly pedantic to dismiss a world champion as such.
     
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  15. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude, this is too revisionist. Grant was undefeated at the time. As for the glass jaw, that wasn't the case until he got KO's by Lewis and then McCLine. Grant was seen as a threat at the time. Hell, Lennox was the one who had been TKOd before they fought.