what if monzon...

He didn;t fight in the 1930's dude, I have 9 of his fights on my hard drive and have seen plenty more. Youtube isn't always the answer.

 

Which fights dude? How clear? Are they copies of copies of VHS or visible?

 

Every one of his title fights is available on DVD. Go to e-bay.

The man was the greatest!

 

Hard to say. I would lean toward yes, with an asterisk. Sometimes Americans have a certain standard for their fighters, and have a harder time embracing those who do not fit the mold.

American boxing fans are infatuated with speed, and power. Monzon to me was average in speed, and mostly an attrition type of puncher with solid but not big time power.

I have often said, watching Mozon is like watching a great marathon runner slowly pull away from the pack.

I also think many of Monzon's bigger fights were up against smaller / older welters that moved up to middle.

While Monzon is no doubt a great fighter, I wonder if he had the right type of skills sets at middle to out box the best natural 160 pound middles with speed greater than him, or power greater than him.

 

In fact, didn't he murder someone after his boxing career? He was not a good guy. But he was an amazing fighter. Valdez was a vicious fighter and Monzon beat him twice at the very end of his career.

 

Napoles was tagging him early on in the fight before Monzon got adjusted, and Monzon came back to give him a beating for about the last 5 rounds. Napoles was another of the most skilled, yet subtle boxers of all time, so him having success for a single round against you hardly says a lot. And I thought he looked very well in the first fight with Griffith actually.

 

What a paradox he was! As unlikeable as a man can be for killing his wife and being such a brute, he's still the best fighter I've ever seen. He was THE dominant fighter of the 70's, and that means more so than Ali or Duran. Like I said, he would have been a superstar if he was American.

 

His fights were on TV at the time and I saw several of them. It's just that not all are on Youtube. Anyone my age (51) or older saw him fight on TV. It's not like no one got to see him fight when he was champion. I also saw Hagler and he would have given Hagler a very close fight. They are about even.

He was a great fighter as was Rodrigo Valdez at the time they fought. I remember for sure seeing the second fight with Nino on TV at the time, the two Griffith fights and the two Valdez fights (I actually taped the second fight with our fancy new RCA VHS recorder, with the buttons that stayed down when you recorded!). He was very, very dominant in personality and his disdain for his opponents really came across during the fights. He dominated one of the great welterweight fighters when Napoles moved up. It was no contest.

However, you cannot compare him or Hagler for that matter with today's middleweights, who are really almost light heavyweights. This is because fighters used to have to weigh in on the day of the fight. A middleweight of yesterday was a middle weight when he actually fought. What did Taylor and Pavlik weigh on the night of their fights. At least 10 pounds more.

 

Rodrigo Valdez would have been the BOSS if it weren't for Monzon. As for Napoles, Monzon almost casually took him apart, and was really not even really unloading on him in that 6th round. I think the stoppage prevented a brutal ending for Jose if he came out for the 7th.

 

He would have had about a 5 year run as total BOSS i'd think, at a guess. Maybe 6 depending on the way the cookie crumbled maybe.

 

Yeah, Dundee and just about anyone else watching saw the writings on the wall...

What was quite amazing to me was how casual he went about it once he hurt Napoles. It was just unreal how he hept landing clan shots after clean shots against someone Napoles' caliber.

 

Monzon was a thinker. He liked to work out his opponent slowly over the course of a fight. A lot like salvador sanchez and Floyd Mayweather. these guys are all great at adjusting mid-fight, often more than once.

No big puncher is going to beat Monzon. He wants his opponents to come to him. Monzon would be vulnerable to a speed demon but IMO he might lose the first fight if he couldn't respond in time but he'd more than likely win the series.

 

Red Cobra, my PM is not working at all, I need to contact admin, soo until then just to know I wasn't ignoring your message, good to see your thoughts, i'll reply soon enough.

 

OK, I'll be looking forward to it! Thanks.

 

Nino was a playboy who undertrained for the first fight and quit in the second.

Emile was old, fought very tough in the first and many felt won the rematch. Not a good showcase for Carlos.

Against Valdez he was 35 and 36 ... he won against a tough guy but did not look like a top five all time guy against him.

Jose was a blown up lightweight. Great but too small to be used as a barometer.

Licata was not championship caliber ...

What other fights are there ? Has anyone seen Briscoe on tape ?

Heres one no one has seen ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdMMhXDqWmY