Haybale Cleveland Williams vs Barbell Cleveland Williams

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Two versions of pre-Ali, rehabbing, late career Cleveland Williams are matched up against each other.

    One Cleveland Williams lifts 80 pound haybales to rebuild his strength, in a manner similar to the Cleveland Williams of history.

    The other Williams lifts 80 pound barbells for the same amount of time as Williams #1 lifts his haybales.

    In all other respects, the two engage in identical preparation.

    How much of an advantage do you think that Haybale Williams has over Barbell Williams?

    @Kamikaze, I am particularly interested in your take on this long-debated question of boxing history.
     
  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You also might want to consult with Choklab on any version of Cleveland Big Cat Williams, Lol.
     
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  3. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ha, whichever he uses for 'mo different types of movements to hit all muscle groups is best!
     
  4. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    That’s a hot bowl of soup you’re stirring there :lol:
    Anyways- lets be honest the variety he could perform with a barbell would be a lot more beneficial and he’d know that because he lifted weights LOL

    (Here we go)

    If he did a lot of high rep stuff with purpose he could draw a lot of blood, nutrients ect to rehab his body a bit.

    Here is pickle for you knowing ones. When a muscle is damaged the reason why we don’t quite recover (This is a popular theory)
    Is because the fibres fire in the wrong order so athletic performance is hindered they need to be relearned so to speak to fire in the right sequence to maximise purpose.

    If he coupled his normal boxing training with some barbell stuff everyday strictly for high reps to “learn” his muscles then he could’ve recovered better.

    Would it help him beat Ali on that night of 67?
    Well yes- but actually no, not really while the injury was a factor it was also didn’t matter to the outcome of that execution. He never stood a chance of wining at any point in his career against nearly any version of Ali let alone in the 60s.

    It’s like asking If Hawking could use his legs would it help him beat Bolt in a race? well yeah but he wasn’t gonna ****ing win anyway aha

    And Williams vs Williams I dunno whoever has there trainer in the corner?
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    Woah, I had a good post in here.
     
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  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Ah, this little gem might’ve been just before my time.

    Is barbell Williams attaching bales of hay to either end of his barbell or just regular weights? Never mind, it shouldn’t impact the analysis.

    Conclusion: Bales of Hay Williams beats Barbell Williams everyday day of the farm working week.

    However, if Bales of Hay Williams has an extensive roll in the hay the night before the fight, then a duly Celibate Barbell Williams could possibly upset him.

    But, back to all things being equal, Bales of Hay Williams beats Barbell Williams by a country mile, beats him so badly that Barbell Williams bails on the barbells and picks up on the bales of hay.
     
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  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Has it vanished??
     
  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Next comparison up for debate:-

    Cow Milking Williams vs Resistance Bands Williams.

    Does it need to be said that I’m obviously picking the Udder Williams?
     
  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Now that’s an acerbic wit right there. Remind me to never get on the wrong side of the Fergermeister. LOL.
     
  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Lol. Only kidding my friend!
    Your one of the top posters on here young man.
     
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  11. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Not to say I am at all but right back at you Ferg. Of course I was only kidding also. We’re all just here for a friendly chat and sometimes the subject of boxing pops up as an added bonus.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    Just in case. My other profile was “Kamikaze”
     
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  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Ahhh now I get yer!
    Lol
    I wondered where Kami had disappeared to!
     
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  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    That's it, Pugguy!
    I like to have a bit of a banter and a laugh on here.
    Sometimes we can post stuff in jest but it can be taken the wrong way by some.
    Personally, I never set out to offend anyone.
    And yes, mate, your a bloody good poster
     
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  15. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    The moniker Kamikaze was too ominous. Self inflicted demise. Journeyman has a far more everlasting ring to it.
     
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