Toney/Rahman decision. Good or bad?

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Should've been a No Contest, Rahman didn't quit. And I was pulling for Toney too.

 

i am always getting california mixed up with merseyside

 

There shouldn't be controversy. The California State Athletic Commission made the right call (the CSAC intervened when there was confusion at the end and directed the ref to declare it a TKO). How in the hell are you going argue with the governing commission's decision? Good luck with that Rahman. That's like trying to appeal a United States Supreme Court decision.

What transpired was simple: Doctor and/or ref never determined that the reason Rahman couldn't continue was because of the cut. The cut was never never examined. As a ringside doctor you cannot make a determination about the severity of a cut and whether the fighter that is cut can continue or not without actually examining the cut. Because the ref and/or doc never determined the cut was severe enough to warrant a stoppage, Rahman's insistence that he couldn't see was interpreted as meaning he didn't want to continue. And that was the right call in my book and in the CSAC's.

 

Obviously the commision held a brief conference within themselves.
I have absolutely no doubt that the conference was for a way to give Toney the victory......

....because obviously the cut was an issue, or why in the hell did the ref when he stopped the fight, go up to the commentators and tell them "no-contest!"????

Its so obvious that the ref and the doctor both knew that the reason Rahman was complaining that he could'nt see, was from the result of the cut.
The rulebooks from there say a fight stopped due to an accidental butt causing a cut, the fight is declared a no-contest!
....and thats exactly what it will be when Rahman files an appeal.

It would'nt be so cut and dry to me had the ref not immediately gone to the commentators and told them no-contest......the ref stopped it from advice fromt the doctor, fully expecting that the fight would be declared a no-contest.
Its just a matter of time now!:deal

 

I don't think this fight was stopped due to the accidental headbutt, even though one occured. It was stopped because of a different "medical reason," that Rahman couldn't see.

The cut never even got examined because Rock wouldn't wait a minute and let the doc do his job, instead of talking himself out of the contest.

 

If thats the case, the ref is going to have alot of explaining to do on why he told Barry Tompkins, and Rich Morrata right after he stopped the fight, "no contest!"

.....and btw, when the doctor went to Rahmans corner, the first question they usually ask is "are you ok?"
.....obviously when Rahman repeatedly told him he could'nt see out of the eye, there was'nt really a reason for the doctor to fully examine the cut.
Had Rahman said, I'm allright, I guarantee you the next think the doctor would have done is to take a look at the cut to determine that for himself.
.....but because Rahman said the magic words, "I cant see!"
nothing else needs to be done by the doctor except to recommend to the referee to stop the fight!

Can you imagine the doctor questioning a fighter, "You cant see?....let me take a look at that!"
Once Rahman say's I cant see, no doctor worth his salt is going to recommend nothing but to have the fight halted!

 

Right.

If Rahman quit, and he apparently did, it is a TKO, plain and simple.

I think he was getting nailed by Toney's overhand right too often, and that had as much to do with the quitting as did his eye bleeding.


Toney got the best of him, for the short time they did fight. That's enough for me. No need to drag up yet another fight between these two.

 

He never said he could either. He just avoided the questioin altogether and told the doc he couldn't see each time the doc asked the question "do you want to continue".

The doc had to make a judgement call on if that was him saying "Yes" or "No" to his "Do you want to continue" question. I think it was the right call, but I see others point of view on this.

A couple of weeks ago Joe Cortez was in a spot like this one where he made a "Judgement" call and he was getting a whole lot of **** for DQing Soto for a late blow in a fight he pretty much dominated. I think along the lines that the commission and officials got it right this week.

 

You could tell Rahman knew it was the last round because of the way he tried to bomb Toney out at the very end.

Make of that what you will.

 

It's an interesting situation to me because I really don't know what the outcome should be. Could Rahman see out of his eye? If he couldn't, then something would have to be really wrong with him because I sure didn't see any blood getting in there. How do you determine if he's telling the truth if it's something really serious but not visible? Has he even made any comments about what was wrong with him?

 

We'll never know for sure, Toney is a slow starter indeed.

However, it doesn't really matter at this point. The doctor stopped the fight based on the consequences of an accidental headbutt, and the rules state that that makes it a no contest. Even the referee said so right after the decision.

 

Wether it was really severely bothering Rahman or not, the bottom line is he pussied out, plain and simple.
C'mon now, Joe Frazier fought one of the greatest fights ever against one of the greatest fighters ever in Manila and he had badly impaired vision from the FIRST BELL! And later his good eye got nearly swollen shut and he still kept going.
You're fighting in a fight called 'last chance' and you wanna be a champion again, and you try to get out of it because of a cut thinking you'll get a no-contest? Serves you fukkin' right then to get TKO'd.

 

As I understand it, it was stopped cause Rock would not indicate that he wanted to continue when clearly asked.

I don't think the cut was as much a factor as the simple fact that Rock would not say Yes, I want to fight! So the ref rightfully took that as a No, I am done as I am getting caught too much......, but maybe I can try to weasel a NC out of this. LOL

 

rules are rules should have been no contest, and the replays should have been examined first before making the call. I liked and favor toney to win but even toney was not happy it ended in such a way.