Bernard Hopkins RTD 10 Carl Daniels: Prime B-Hop

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It is not a great fight, but this is Hopkins emerging from his dramatic KO victory over Trinidad and you could argue that the added confidence is what makes this perhaps B-Hops very best performance if you're not allowing for the opposition.

    The opposition though isn't terrible. Terrible opposition is unranked opposition. Daniels was in his second year ranked in the RING top 10, having moved up from 154lbs in 1997 and putting a long unbeaten streak between him and his failed bid at a 154lb title and was number 8 by the time he and Hopkins met ring centre. Daniels went off a cliff after this fight but his record up until this point was at the low end of respectable.

    Hopkins doesn't lose a thirty second spell I don't think. The sneak right hand off the lateral step was never sneakier and the left-hook behind the ear was as good as I've seen it prior to maybe that Pavlik dismantling. This, I would argue, is the perfectly balanced Hopkins, one who marries the angles, quickness of thought and generalship from his later career with the legs, zip and volume of the early part of his career. He is absolutely dominant in every round, gorgeous body attack, and the fact that he has to take more steps than Daniels to do it doesn't yet matter (See his fight with Calzaghe for a fighter obsessed with economy, and tell me this version wouldn't have tortured him).

    It's not a great fight obviously, but probably one more people should see. What do you make of it? What other post-epoch-making wins from history stand out to you in this way? How do you feel about this incarnation of Hopkins?
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  2. Somali Sanil

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    Is this the same Carl Daniels who was slept by Lee ??? Not the fight or fighter I’d pick to assess Hopkins ability in all honesty
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

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    Hopkins at this time was probably the most complete fighter in boxing and if not he's deep in the conversation. Many only remember the tired economical version of Hopkins but he really did morph quite a bit over the years and even morphed backward a bit for a time. His rounds won vs rounds loss from the time he won the title up to the Taylor fights is insane. I would agree this is almost definitely peak Hopkins. He just doesn't make any mistakes. I'd also love to know what exact points Eddie Futch was referring to when he said Hopkins reminded him of SRR.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    I think you hit the nail on the head when you say "he doesn't make any mistakes". As Sanil says, Daniels isn't anything to write home about, and he's not testing those limits in the way Trinidad did, but Hopkins hardly puts a half-step wrong here.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    It was once said of Hopkins that he doesn't even make mistakes when he's shadow boxing. Real old school.
     
  6. McGrain

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    That is very much the commnetary from the edge of that fight, hailng Bernard's "1950s boxing." Like everything else it exaggerated a bit but has truth to it.
     
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  7. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have met Carl Daniels, and saw him fight many times. He was a great guy, and a pretty good fighter. But, he wasn't very big, and had no business at middleweight. And, even less business getting a title shot against a natural light heavy who boiled down to middleweight like Hopkins.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    Cool that you met him - but "no business at middleweight" - he was in the business of being ranked one of the ten best in the world (At least by Ring) at doing boxing weighing between 155 and 160lbs. That's some achievement.
     
  9. Bumnard_Hopkins

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    He hit and held even when he was young.
     
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  10. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Listen, I like Carl Daniels. And, I followed his career carefully as it unfolded. He was a good fighter, but, got manhandled by the best at 154. By the time he got to 160, he was fleshy and in his 30s. He just wasn't a natural middleweight. In fact, I think he competed as low as flyweight as an amateur. I was always rooting for him, but he did nothing to earn a top 10 ranking at middleweight. Terry Norris destroyed a better version of Daniels at Junior Middle years earlier.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    I think he got it because he defeated Brian Barbosa (who beat Robert Allen), who himself was formerly ranked in the Ring top ten.

    It's the most normal, natural way to earn yourself a number eight ranking imaginable really, happens all the time in all divisions.

    He was also undefeated since 1997 at MW since his move up, which helps.
     
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  12. Smokin Bert

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    He also went 3-14 in his next 17 fights after Hopkins.
     
  13. Pepsi Dioxide

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    I think it was this and (looked back at the record) winning the USBA title from Purcell Miller which probably elevated him in the IBF rankings at the time.

    I remember this fight happening. No offense to Daniels who was a decent fighter but even at the time people thought this fight was a waste of everyone's time.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Absolutely off a cliff.

    Certainly not alone in Hopkins opponents there, though that one is particularly disastrous.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Well, to do that, I'd have to watch the fight again.

    So I could watch the fight for a second time...or you could do it for the first time!
     
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