Oh you mean like like guys that fought in eras when blacks couldn't fight for the heavy title and were forced to throw fights when they got to a certain level?
To be fair, Schmeling beat either the best or second-best black heavyweight champion of all time (who also happens to be the #1 or #2 of all time period) close to the latter's prime, so that criticism doesn't specifically apply to Schmeling. EDIT: Unless you are saying that Louis threw the first Schmeling fight, which I suppose would be an interesting thread unto itself.
I give him credit for beating Louis. What do you think was this a focused Louis who was taking the fight seriously. He had just humiliated an ex champ that had totally dominated Schmeling and easily destroyed champ before Baer. He was playing alot of golf. What happened in the rematch was it a contest?
As excuses go, I find Schmeling's age in the second bout to be a much better one than disinterest and excessive golf. Anyway, my original point was just that Schmeling cannot be criticized for failing to fight the best black fighters. (Unlike many other heavyweights of Schmeling's era.) Louis's own choice to play golf was a far cry from Schmeling drawing the color line against him. That's all.
Or Louis youth in the first one. Despite his fantastic success up till then he was still 23 had been a pro less then 2 years. Scmeling an experienced ex champ found maybe his one major flaw and the young joe learned to watch for the right over his jab and that golf isn't substitute for training.
Schmeling stopped young Louis, I think you are confused... Louis would stop Chuvalo early, it would be massacre. Schmeling would also badly batter Chuvalo, though he probably wouldn't stop him.
Just on Schmeling and Chuvalo versus Louis. Schmeling crushed a young Louis who was beating the other ex-champions (Carnera, Baer, Sharkey) either before or immediately after this fight. I can't actually imagine Chuvalo ever beating any version of Louis that we have on film. I think he would lose badly by decision to the 1951 Louis. And be stopped by the Louis of the first Schmeling fight. On Louis training. His weight wasn't up at all. Perhaps he trained on the golf course and in a few bedrooms, but this also might be blown out of proportion. I would like to know more of the facts. How much roadwork did he do versus the usual? How many rounds did he spar versus the usual? And whatever else, ducking the best black fighters is not something one can lay on Schmeling.
Not fighting the best black fighters was something all the champions did even Louis. What happened after the war when boxing like other sports dropped its version of color line Louis got beaten by first 2 Black fighters he faught. Should have against Walcott dropped twice and soundly thrashed by Charles a blown up light heavy. Yes he had slipped but these guys performances were shocking. Louis was a 2 to 1 favorite to regain crown from Charles. This had as much to do with the step up in competition as it did him slipping.
Schemling is a much better fighter. But to come to that fair conclusion that he would defeat Chuvalo you might say he beat Louis to which I or any other poster with an issue would remind you of the Baer fight. Too much is up in the air was Max susceptible to a rugged sort like Gipsy Daniels, Baer, Larry Gains and Sharkey? all were durable fighters who could brawl and get dirty or were they situational defeats? The right combination of advantages and style? I think without much thought Max Schemlling is the correct choice I still do, But I don't like to make little thought out any man who has fought so often at the high level like Chuvalo- the amount of subtle lessons learned and study he had to have committed to cannot be overlooked even with his style. Maybe he did learn he right lessons to defeat the "Black Uhlan of the Rhine" from his time with clever men in the gym and under the lights? even then to his favour there are more examples of "the will overcoming the skill" in boxing then any other sport. At least I think so.
It could have been a combination of a lot of things. I think Louis just had a heightened sense of attention to detail for the second fight.
"Daniels, Baer, Gains, Sharkey" Schmeling fought Gains as a teenager, I think. Certainly very green. The Sharkey loss was a very dubious decision. The first fight I had 2-1 for Sharkey when it ended in the 4th. I wouldn't extrapolate to Sharkey was necessarily on his way to a clear win. Schmeling did look awful against Baer. Baer though was a mile better puncher than Chuvalo, and beat much better fighters, Schmeling aside. Daniels? I don't know anything about him. He was something like Chuvalo? Uzcudun definitely was and also was a better fighter than Daniels and I think Chuvalo. The problem with picking Chuvalo is that he lost most of the time to good fighters, often getting outpointed badly. His win over Quarry was certainly freaky, and possibly a fluke due to a Quarry mistake. Jones? A puffed up light-heavy on the cusp of a severe career regression. Others? Not many quality victories. He outpointed Cleroux once, but lost two of three. Beating Schmeling would be a mile better win than anything he did accomplish in his long career. Schmeling beating Chuvalo wouldn't be anything close to his best win. What is true is that Schmeling is unlikely to stop Chuvalo.
