What does Usyk have to do to surpass Holyfield alltime?

Yeah, IF. Given his style he has maybe 3 years before his speed tapers off. That's like 9 fights. Which scalps can he pick up in that time to put him ahead of Holy? Fury, Wilder, maybe AJ again? I dunno if that's enough and the rest of the division is fairly unimpressive. Maybe if one of the guys he beats goes on to rule for a long time ... dunno, a long shot.

 

Usyk has more than one win that's better than that. It would not surprise me in the slightest, if some of the cruiserweights at the new limit beat Jirov. Bellew, Hunter and Głowacki could all also beat Jirov.

 

For Usyk even to get into the conversation to be on the level of Evander Holyfield, he needs to beat the real, linear heavyweight champion - Tyson Fury, or Wilder if he wins their upcoming fight.

 

At HW I don't think Usyk can surpass Holyfield he's left it too late and even if he had gone up earlier the level of opposition in the 1990's HW division is just too far ahead

But you could make a case about who is the superior Cruiser one way or the other and I wouldn't argue too much either way, personally I believe H2H Holyfield wins but comparing opposition quality and achievement at Cruiser there's not much in it

 

If he beats Fury that’s a start. His cruiser run was actually very deep. Glowacki, Briedis, Gassiev were all undefeated title holders in their primes and he beat them on their turf. Top contenders like Huck, Bellew, and Hunter in their backyards too. Now Joshua in a virtuoso performance. He’s achieved greatness but he’ll need the undisputed and to beat someone better than Joshua to be near Holyfield IMO. I do believe Usyk has been the best boxer since 2015 for his overall career, skill etc;

 

So obviously u have no idea how good some of those cruisers where in comparison to the fighters mentioned ( Gassiev and Brendis) in the original post. So maybe you're trolling because they were not much ( if at all) worse Than those two .

 

The second best cruiser on your list is a knockout waiting to happen, and I don't even think that highly of Gassiev. Gassiev, Hunter, Briedis should all be favored to put De Leon away.

 

Holyfield is most likely a top twenty HW ever…some would say top ten I don’t agree with that. But to make the top twenty arguably I’d argue you need at least three excellent wins (champs past champs or number one contenders) plus two solid ones with them. So five really good wins. Depending on how you view his cruiser wins and if they count may sway your opinion. I’ll reserve judgment till he gets at least another two solid wins at HW.
Hopefully it’s not to late for him to face off against some solid competition. With barely any fights it wouldn’t be fair to place him up there w Holyfield yet.

 

He’s nearly 35. Not much he can do. He certainly won’t have the longevity Holyfield did in the division. However each career is different. If he unifies, say he beats Fury. And then beats one other top 10 guy and calls it a career. I mean nothing wrong with that.

 

Get more wins on HW.

 

Charr is a slow basic fringe contender who was lucky to secure a paper WBA belt. Huck was past his best, and had already been KO'd by Glowacki. Speaking of which, the Glowacki win was tainted due to fouls. Perez had already been vaporized by Povetkin. Dorticos is a good, solid win, but I don't think he's nearly as accomplished or good as Saad. He probably didn't have the resume as deep as Rossman, for that matter. Briedis arguably could have suffered a second loss to Gevor.

Most of the losses that Qawi suffered were either controversial decisions (the Ocasio "loss" was particularly rank) or at heavyweight where he was undersized and past prime. The only two guys to definitively defeat him were an ATG Spinks, and Holyfield.

Meanwhile, he defeated tough contenders like Scott, Martin, Eddie Davis, Johnny Davis, an undefeated Crous (retiring him), a former LH champion in Rossman, a HOF LH champ in Saad, and former cruiserweight titleholders Murphy and Parkey.

I like Maris, but Qawi's resume craps all over his and he's still the best name on either Usyk or Holyfield's cruiserweight resume.

 

You're trying really hard to nitpick holes into Breidis' resume which is clearly better than Qawi's. I mean I could do the same to Qawi's best wins. Muhammad had 16 losses. Wayne McGee and Marvin Camel already beat him before Qawi did, and they're nobodies. If arguable losses count then Muhammad could arguably have lost to Mate Parlov as well, before Qawi. I mean way to go in re-describing a win over Charr thats a champion in a higher division as slow and basic

Qawi clearly had problems when he stepped up to the higher levels, whereas Breidis only lost to Usyk.

 

Throwing out 16 losses is disingenuous. He had 3 when they fought. You don't see people saying SRR had 19 losses talking about when Turpin beat him, or saying Ezzard Charles had 25 losses when talking of his worth as a win.

It matters not what happened when the guys were over the hill. Saad losing to Bott and co has nothing to do with what size notch he was on Qawi's belt.

 

Call me when Breidis loses to Marvin Camel.

 

A loss at the 14 fight mark really isn't the be all and end all. Most will know this.

Most will also know Saad had just 20 amateur bouts and didn't linger there forever like so many modern guys. Camel not only had about 230 more amateur fights than Saad but also a handful extra pro fights as well. Camel was good enough to pick up a strap later.

The real surprise is that Saad actually beat him not long prior.

As usual, context is everything tho seldom utilized.