Do you have any idea how many posters on here argue Canelo is a plodder? If we're going to compare Canelo and Usyk in a P4P sense, then we have to talk about footwork. So who has better footwork, Canelo or Usyk. And really think about what better footwork means. Canelo in recent fights is content walking down his opponents, and not needing to be fleet footed, but that doesn't make him a plodder. We seen the kind of footwork he has back in 2017 when he fought GGG the first time. The footwork Canelo displayed against GGG the first time was far better and more masterful than what Usyk showed last night. There's a difference here, Canelo is a smooth operator. No wasted motion, smooth movement. Emphatic feints that cause reactions from opponents. Usyk on the other hand, is the complete opposite, herky jerky, bouncing back and forth in a frenetic pace. That's what I mean by plodder. He's very awkward and jittery as a fighter. Constantly moving in random ways. This style gave AJ problems, but comparing him to Canelo in a P4P sense is a huge stretch. I think you recognize this Pimp, you know Canelo's the clear P4P #1 and Usyk is nowhere near his level.
I don't like that heavyweights like Fury get eliminated from P4P conversations just because they are big. Are we saying that Fury wouldn't be insanely skilled if he had trained for his whole life as a smaller man? Of course not. It's actually impressive how skilled he is considering his size 1. Canelo 2. Fury 3. Usyk I probably need to watch more fights of the likes of Lopez, Taylor, Crawford in order to evaluate further
Triggered much? Plenty of people call Canelo a plodder and he has far better footwork and all around skills than Usyk. Usyk has good footwork and awkward movement for a Heavyweight, but in a P4P sense he's very basic and not that impressive. Usyk took a lot of damage to the head last night, he has a tendency to walk into punches because he's constantly moving in odd ways. Calling that masterful is a bit much, but I'll give him credit where it's due - he did duck one of AJ's big straight right hands. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Usyk, he's very good for a Heavyweight and he deserves credit for doing what he did to Joshua, but this topic is about P4P and people putting Usyk #1 P4P lmao. Usyk's activity level and work rate is the main thing that got him the win over AJ. Not his footwork, certainly not his defense. Just being busier, AJ stood right in front of him for most of the night. Now people are doing the typical thing on here and hyping him to the moon and making all kinds of crazy arguments. There's plenty of fighters that I would call plodders that most people wouldn't. It's a descriptor to differentiate awkward herky-jerky effectiveness and balanced smooth movement.
With Clenelo's privilege P4P top 5 #1 Usyk #2 Loma # 3 Inoue #4 GGG #5 Crawford Loma is undefeated with Clenelo's judges and completely unbeatable on his PEDs with bone shattering and bicep deforming PED power. Same goes for Usyk and Inoue, and GGG and Crawford would likely be too. GGG has 2 wins over Clenelo with Clenelo's judges in his pocket Clenelo has 2 losses to GGG and is at best 1-1 against Lara and Trout without his judges. Take away his PEDs, judges, catchweights, rehydration clauses, short camps and stacked deck and doesn't break the top 10.
When I think masterful footwork, I think of smooth movement, consistent outboxing, not the kind of herky-jerky oddball movement like Usyk showed Joshua. Usyk was bouncing around the ring last night like a pinball machine. Now maybe "plodder" wasn't the best word to use to describe Usyk, and I get that it triggered people lol, but what I was getting at when I said that was that his movement was too awkward and unconventional for AJ. It wasn't meant as a diss against Usyk. But if we're going to compare him in a P4P sense, if people are going to argue he's #1 P4P which I find ridiculous, then that's a pretty high standard. I just find Usyk's movement too "stop and go", too 'herky jerky" for his footwork to be considered masterful in a P4P sense. He's the complete opposite of what I would consider smooth footwork. But I guess that's different than having "non existent footwork" which maybe is what people would call a plodder. Maybe at Heavyweight he's not a plodder, but when being compared to the best P4P fighters in the sport, I see a lot of wasted motion, I saw him walking into punches vs AJ due to his constant movement once AJ adjusted to it by the middle rounds. I'm just more critical when it comes to Usyk than a lot of people on here who hype him pretty hard. But I do recognize how talented he is, and how effective he was last night. I'm not a Usyk hater, I just think P4P #1 is a little much, and "masterful" footwork is a bit much also.
To "plod" one foot in front of the other is to do so without much thought, and usually means slow and lumbering; Usyk thinks 3/4 steps ahead about everything he does and very quickly and always on his toes; the opposite of a plodder. Appreciate the clarification though, and I see now what you were getting at - maybe in the modern game his movement is not that conventional, but it does not make it any less smooth IMO. His balance is amazing and his feet are nearly always where HE wasnts them to be. He does do a lot of lateral shifts, and also in / out shifts, but he does it so quickly and smoothly I can see why it might look "herky jerky" to some. The only other current fighter I know of that moves as good as Usyk is Loma, and that is probably not a coincidence given Papachenko etc
You know absolute **** all Canelo is not in the p4p 5 let alone 1 you clown. Embarassing get off Canelos payroll you scumbag
Usyk bossed AJ, undefeated, fought away from home like almost always, looks like a monster. Canelo will always have a question mark with the drugs deal and his cherry picking, obviously a top fighter but he has alot of card stacked in his favour. Usyk has non of that, although i reckon he has the backing of the Ukrainian underworld. Hence why Eddie darn not jerk him on the scorecards lol.
Are you serious? This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected 5:16 Canelo gets hit plenty and with hard shots. Bare in mind it was a 36 year old GGG vs a young prime Canelo. And almost 35 Usyk whose barely had any fights at HW against a prime AJ. I can also point out the Lara fight where Canelo was consistently taking straight lefts. Had Canelo actually not been weight bullying at 154 he may have been wobbled. By your exact logic - "top p4p fighters don't get hit like that" - Canelo is not a top p4p fighter. Can't spin yourself out of this one. Lol.. The irony and I knew you'd bring up Canelos footwork against a 36 yo old man GGG which was not at all in the class of Usyks footwork. Usyks footwork has a purpose and it's not just in and out movement its lateral movement and on the move pot shotting head/upper body movement. You're massively overrating Canelos footwork. He can't do that, he can move around the ring like he did in GGG 1 but so can anyone, his footwork isn't as fluid as Usyk so that he can actually punch off that footwork, feint with it, or simultaneously use upper body movement ... Describing Usyks footwork as "herky jerky" is pretty stupid. 95% of Canelo's fights is Canelo walking forward in straight lines barely moving his head and even in the one fight he could show movement it wasn't as good as you make it out to be. Canelo has never been undisputed and you could argue therefore never been a champion of a division (like when there was one belt). Canelo is now trying to unify all the belts in a **** poor division .. Now I've gone over the context surrounding Saunders and Smith and I don't need to go over that again. They were cherrypicks with usual Canelo card stacking. Not debateable. Canelo also clearly lost 8-4 against GGGx2 (which you cant accept despite me making it clear you have skewed view of Canelo's landed punches) so shouldn't be below GGG (as p4p rankings change based on wins obviously) Usyk has fought tougher prime non card stacked opposition and become undisputed at cruiser and now is one belt away to doing so at HW. Usyk has fought in everyone's backyard and beaten them..Canelo stays at home with the benefit of his judges.. Can you imagine Canelo fighting GGG in Kazakhstan or Bivol in Russia? LOL pathetic manufactured fraud.. And you're a fool for falling for it.. But i suspect you're a part of Canelo's team that tries to alter the narrative
There are tons of idiotic concepts in boxing that everyone just nods along to. This is one of them. Josh Taylor, Errol Spence Jr, and Teofimo Lopez are all one-division fighters and rightfully ranked P4P. Usyk was a one-division fighter a couple of years ago and he was P4P ranked. So should the heavies. TBRB does it, it's Ring that keeps them off.
Top P4P fighters don't have the following record: - Multiple failed drug tests for PEDs - Multiple questions marks on their records for rigged scorecards - More than 3 wins, that should have in fact been losses - Weight drain fighters from higher divisions to scalp a belt (your words, not mine - in regard to Manny Pacquiao) - Canelo almost folded to José Cotto - Hurt multiple times against the man that beat him twice Usyk doesn't have a single question mark on his record. Sit down, the adults are talking.
You're right, he should have dominated Joshua like Canelo did Trout, Lara, GGG, GGG huh? I mean, if losing more rounds than you win, sure. This content is protected
