Usyk vs Ali

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  1. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    Van damme leaves Bruce in a heap, forget khabib, that’s evil
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agree. I think i might favor Usyk to beat 70s Ali but not 60s. Prime Ali takes it close UD. Here's what we're working with. Ali vs Mildenberger which is the closest thing to Usyk stylistically that he ever fought and Usyk vs Bellew which is the closest thing stylistically to Ali that he ever fought.
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  3. Somali Sanil

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    He’s beaten far better fighters than Joshua, maybe not as big but the cruisers had absolute pure talent when Usyk reigned an unified
     
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  4. IsaL

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    I hope you guys saying is more skilled than Ali are just trolling LOL
     
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  5. IsaL

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    That's great. I guess you can argue he can beat top cruiserweights from other eras, but having success as cruiserweight and beating Joshua doesn't elevate him to a status on par with Lewis, Klitschkos, Holyfield, Tyson, let alone Ali.
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

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    Ali had a bit of trouble but Mildenberger only won like 2 rounds at most, some even had Ali winning all of them.

    Tony Bellew wasn't anywhere near as light on his feet as Ali, nor was he moving around as much as Ali or he pumping out the jab and the right hand counters as much as Ali did against his opponents and especially southpaws like Mildenberger yet he was still outboxing Usyk and had he had Ali's gas tank he may have won it. It would be a very close fight but i see Ali UD. Usyk would easily be one of his hardest fight though, that i can agree on. People writing off Usyk are nostalgia blinded
     
  7. Somali Sanil

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    Ali has major intangibles, his actual skill set was not complete. I think the bare fundamentals obviously go to Usyk, you can’t just forget about Ali never ever going to the body, he was a pure head hunter, that’s a hole in his game straight away. I do think Ali’s style wouldn’t really allow for good body work. Ali also couldn’t move in the pocket like Usyk, he had to hold an clinch, try clinching Usyk an he’ll pivot you out of position and rake you with shots from a perfect position. Ali couldn’t do certain things Usyk does, in no way shape or form is Ali more skilled, faster yes
     
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  8. Somali Sanil

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    My point was Ali didn’t look good against a southpaw little guy, it was a laboured win
     
  9. Somali Sanil

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    Let alone Ali ? To much Ali bum licking with fans, it’s dying out but he’s still at hero status with some.
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

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    And Usyk wasn't looking good against Bellew until he gassed. Whats your point. Ali had trouble early but he lost 2 rounds at the most. He adjusted and was comfortably beating Mildenberger as the rounds went by. Mildenberger was the first southpaw he faced so it makes sense. After that he didn't stylistically have issues with any more southpaws he fought. Those counter rights he landed on Mildenberger were crisp. Go and watch that fight

    Usyk would give him fits though but i favor Ali, the Joshua fight doesn't change my viewpoint because i did think he had the tools to beat Joshua. Joshua got schooled by Savon in the Olympics and i had thought he improve since then but clearly not. Joshua fought nothing like Ali, and he's not as good as Ali either. I'd definitely favor Foreman to KO Joshua's chinny ass like i always have.
     
  11. bruce_keyes

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    Ali has been KO'd by much lesser men than Usyk. just sayin
     
  12. Somali Sanil

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    Usyk definitely took his time with Bellew on purpose, exhausted Bellew with just his stalking threat, zero worries. My point is, he found a southpaw tricky
     
  13. demigawd

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    All of these threads tend to divide into two polarized camps:

    1. Ali is superhuman and can not lose to anybody ever and

    2. Blah blah blah Henry Cooper (or some other random boxer who managed to win rounds against Ali) therefore whatever boxer did something cool last weekend would destroy Ali because surely he's better than Sad Henry.

    Usyk has a long way to go for me to put him over Holyfield. Ali? Let's get Usyk some title defenses first. Maybe unify. Something. Jeez.
     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

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    No he got outboxed. No excuses. Bellew got exhausted out his ass because he was overthinking. Because Usyk is that tricky to deal with. Usyk was clearly trying to land and was fighting no different from some of his other fights. But Ali had an excellent gas tank. He was quicker than Bellew, had better head movement than Bellew, had better timing than Bellew, and was significantly more mobile than Bellew.

    Ali struggled early, but adjusted and handled the southpaw stance comfortably later on. And Usyk was a slow started anyway so Usyk might actually be getting outboxed early. You can't bring up Ali struggling for the first few rounds with the first southpaw he ever faced and then be dismissive of Usyk getting outboxed and timed with right hand counters against somebody who's inferior to Ali in every aspect imaginable. Mildenberger is also inferior to Usyk in every aspect imagable but unlike the Bellew fight, the Mildenberger fight was not competitive for the entire fight because Ali adjusted.
     
  15. JL Fighter

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    Looks like a lot here developed a man crush on Usyk.
     
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