Its going yo be tough because of his age and the fact that fighters are currently fighting each other at a snails pace for the most part
Perez win gets devalued because he hadn't really looked good following the Abdusalamov fight (understandably, perhaps). Got mauled by Takam in the later rounds, didn't look great in dropping a decision to Jennings, got nuked by Povetkin. A close loss in an opponent's backyard, that was avenged, was probably more meaningful than Perez was. Hell, use Briedis's win over Duradola instead if you want to inflate his resume. That win probably means more, all things considered.
Perez lost to Povetkin 2 fights prior to matching Briedis. Saad lost to Camel 18 fights prior to fighting Qawi. Do you not realize the difference? On top of this Perez had shredded more than 40 pounds in order to compete at Cruiser and Briedis was just his second fight in the division. That's a serious intangible right there. Spinks is a top 5 light heavyweight and in the argument for best ever H2H. He also said Huck was past his best he didn't just throw up the loss to Glowacki. Hucks loss to Glowacki was just 3 fights prior so it's pretty relevant. Holyfield knocked the prime out of Qawi and he was 40 fights deep by the time he lost to the likes of Daniels. Admittedly you two have a mildly tricky debate going on due to multiple weight divisions being involved but the lack of context is alarming.
For the record, I don't even have that much issue with anyone who says Usyk is the 1 to Holyfield's 1A at cruiserweight based on depth of resume. But the fact is, Holyfield's got the best name on the collective series of opponents that they fought. Briedis and Gassiev warrant serious consideration for the second and third best opponents, respectively.
At his age it will be tough. But, man, what a magnificent performance last Saturday. Usyk proved his skill and mettle, and, deserves to be called a "great" fighter.
I think you got some facts wrong: Holyfied: - lost 2 out of 3 against Bowe - only beat Moorer once - only beat Tyson once (the second one was a DQ), and this wasn't the same Tyson - Dokes was past his best - Douglas was 15 lbs overweight compared to the Tyson bout
He’ll be 35 before his next fight at heavy. He’s not a big man by today’s standards and not a huge puncher. So once his athletic peak declines and it will be soon, he will have hard time. His best bet is to grab 2-3 big fights right away and then walk away. He still looked great Saturday. But nobody puts on peak performances at age 36-37 etc. He unified a great cruiser division and moved up and won unified belts against a much bigger man that happens to be younger in their prime and was/is very good in their own right. Extremely impressive.
Fury, Joyce, possibly Hrgovic or Yoka depending on what they go on to do. Any minor wins he has like Ruiz or Parker would add to his resume as well. But yes, it's a pretty thin division right now. He'd need to rematch some of his CW compatriots to bulk it out.
Theirs no facts wrong, only a misprint and didn't check my post before sending ( Was at work) Of course I know Holyfield and Bowe fought 3 times, saw all 3 live. You can say Dokes and Tyson were over the hill. But they were still better, even at that stage of their careers better than anyone Usyk faced at heavyweight, that would include Joshua. You can say Douglas was fat, but he even at that stage of his career, was better than anyone Usyk has faced, that includes Joshua. The Moorer that defeated Holyfield was better than anyone Usyk has faced at heavyweight. Bowe on any of the nights he faced Holyfield would destroy everyone Usyk has faced, including Usyk himself.
I don’t think Usyk can surpass Holyfield. At CW, Usyk is ahead, that CW resume is just insane and stacked. Holyfield’s resume at CW is great but there just wasn’t as much names then, as the division was in its infancy. For HW though.. It’s a complete 180. Holyfield’s HW resume is insanely stacked, and the 90’s talent pool FAR outweighs the current era. For Usyk to even come close at HW, he’d have to fight Fury, AJ rematch, Wilder, Whyte, Ruiz etc. really don’t see that happening. Usyk would have to go on a serious run and fight quiet a few fights at HW for me to say he’s surpassed Holy. This could’ve been possible had he not spent so much time in the amateurs.
Dude, my point of comparison was between Briedis and Qawi, and nothing more. You said Briedis has vastly superior to Qawi based on resume. Unless they had some unrecorded fights, Briedis has never stepped into the ring and faced Gassiev, Bellew, or Hunter in sanctioned contests. Hence, there's no need to mention those names when discussing Briedis's resume, since they don't appear on it. Glowacki wasn't unbeaten when he faced Briedis (who, once again, is the person being discussed), and the outcome of that fight was tainted due to fouls. Maybe not cast in doubt...but definitely something that cast a shadow over things. And, we've already discussed the relative merits of those guys on the list that Briedis did face. If you want to discuss Usyk's resume relative to other fighters, then that's a different conversation to have, I think.
He needs a lot more fights, against top competition, to ever think of surpassing Holyfield, IMHO, of course. He's 19 fights into his career right now. The win over Joshua's a great start.
