Could Ezzard Charles, on performance enhancing drugs, equal Holyfield's record?

Of course he could. But his chin would still be suspect esp when fighting heavier stronger fighters. Can't teach great chin, though he was harder to hit cleanly than Holyfield was.

 

When Holyfield was 49, he looked like this.

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When Ezzard Charles was 49, he looked like this.

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I don't think there are any PEDs that were going to turn Ezzard Charles into Evander Holyfield.

 

It's never been proven a muscular neck helps at all .. look t a Bruce Seldon or a Ken Norton ... physically stronger for sure but ability to take punch, no way. It's something you are born with.

 

It’s difficult to address exactly what the benefits can be from using PEDs. According to some it does improve their ability to absorb punches and deal with fatigue. Unquestionably a fighter on PEDs is overall more effective than he would be without them.

John Ruiz: “That's what sad about boxing. Basically, PEDs make a boxer last longer. They are not going to get tired when it comes to the late rounds. Boxers want their opponents to get tired so they can take advantage of it. If the other guy is on steroids and doesn't get tired, you're screwed.

When it happened to me with Toney, it took away my opportunity to get bigger fights. He got the decision, but when he tested positive, they changed it to a no-decision. I got the belt back, but it was almost like a loss. It took the wind out of my sails.


He later added, "But the people with me were astonished how well he [Toney] took my shots."


Fight saga.

Sunday, 25 March 2018 02:48

Clenbuterol: What is this popular boxing PED?


“So what is Clenbuterol?
For starters, Alvarez isn't the only boxer to have tested positive for the drug. Erik Morales did so in 2012 and heavyweights Lucas Browne and Alexander Povetkin have within the past two years.

Clenbuterol was created to treat respiratory ailments so it can also enhance cardiovascular efficiency in athletes.


Clenbuterol has been shown to to have anabolic (or body-building) properties too but they are secondary to its weight loss/fat burner attributes.


Although the drug is not approved for human use in the U.S., its a near carbon copy of albuterol, which is commonly prescribed to treat asthma. In the U.S., Clenbuterol is only FDA-approved when prescribed by a veterinarian for use in horses.”-



According to veteran trainer Fiodor Lapin, Alexander Povetkin is not as strong or physically sharp as he was prior to his suspension-related to drug test failures.


"Until recently, I would have said that Povetkin was the favorite in potential fights against both Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder," Lapin recently told Vasily Konov via *******.com.


"Povetkin would have been the favorite, but after those situations and the two fights that he had - that's another Povetkin."

Another Povetkin?


"He used to get in earlier [with big punches], and his opponents went down, but now they do not go down, so now he is not in the form that was before the suspension," Lapin added.


"It's clear that there was no fight to be fought [in his last outing], but Hammer's level cannot even be compared closely with these fighters [at the top]. Yes, Povetkin unquestionably won against Hammer, but he lost the force in his punches and lacked accuracy."

 

Makes one wonder how the chin of a 175lb Evander would have stood up to heavyweight shots without becoming a ‘roided up heavyweight himself doesn’t it?

 

What we know from Holyfield, added muscle did not improve his punching power, and it decreased his stamina and mobility. Many would agree that added muscle doesn't seem to improve durability. Elite HW punching power and durability seem to boil down to something you either have or don't.

So why add muscle and weight at all beyond the requirements? It makes you harder to move and physically stronger. You can't bounce on your toes and dodge every punch, physical power and mass reduces the margin of error. Even if your chin isn't stronger, you aren't as likely to be knocked off your feet if you got a heavy base, and big arms can be a great guard, you won't be backed up easily, as Old Foreman displayed, even when clearly rocked and out on his feet, guys like Evander couldn't move him.


To a degree, the trade off of muscle for some stamina and mobility is often worth it, but that doesn't mean you can't go overboard with it either. Evander's science added mass was a huge benefit in Bowe 2 but might have led to his downfall against Moorer and Bowe 3.

 

Charles liked to get hit too much.

I think he would have needed to adapt his style to fight more like Byrd. I think he does well, but he never really gets as big as Holyfield.

 

it depends on the person. Holyfield was never a hard-hitter, Charles was, literally, a killer.

But yeah, the trade off for hoylfield was even in giving up some sttributes, he wasn't givingthem up completely. He lost speed and stamina, but he still had more than most dudes in the Bologna ***** Tits division.

Charles I dunno; he was naturally smaller than Cruiserweight Holyfield. Competing with 90's Heavyweights, he might be more like Walker north of 175.

 

Good point.

 

Intruiging question ,I tend to think the answer is yes.

 

A sobering post, much needed to settle the Charles fetish.

But Charles was better offensively, and fought tougher competition.

 

The answer for me is no. Drugs did not give Holyfield that chin or the skills he possessed. Ezzard isn't getting anymore durable, faster more powerful ect.