When the old man almost had it.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by scartissue, Oct 1, 2021.

  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,383
    Likes Received:
    12,741
    First sentence: I am not looking for a win.

    I was thinking of old timers who looked like they recaptured lightning in a bottle, coming soooo close only for it to come crashing down. It's not as easy as I thought. I thought examples would come streaming into the old noggin, but not so much. Here are the 3 I came up with.

    1) Willie Pep v Hogan (Kid) Bassey - Willie was 36, had been on a steady diet of club-fighters when he gets the call for a non-title 10 rounder with world champ Bassey. By all accounts, Pep turned back the clock and was boxing like a dream and ahead on 2 out of 3 cards when fatigue crept in and it came crashing down in the 9th.

    2) Herol Graham v Charles Brewer - at 38 and on the comeback trail, Graham had beaten Vinnie Pazienza and Chris Johnson when he receives a title shot against Charles 'The Hatchet' Brewer. Graham looked like he was on his way, having decked Brewer twice during the contest, when Brewer catches him in the 10th.

    3) John Conteh v Matthew Saad Muhammad - although Conteh was still only 28, he was a good few years from his prime. With noted managerial issues, hand issues, recent struggles with Parlov and Burnett, not to mention that receding hairline, he seemed to be far older than 28. But he turned back the clock against one of the hottest fighters of his time and had the bout even after 13 rounds before Saad sent him crashing to the canvas twice, wiping out the closeness on points for Saad to take a unanimous decision.

    Any more you guys can think of?
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Messages:
    52,914
    Likes Received:
    44,732
  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    8,584
    Likes Received:
    11,099
    Fitzsimmons Vs Jeffries II is the classic case
     
  4. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2013
    Messages:
    11,341
    Likes Received:
    4,218
    Eubank-Thompson I til his eye shut. The old sparkle had re-emerged.
     
    Bronze Tiger, Mike Cannon and Fergy like this.
  5. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2009
    Messages:
    25,180
    Likes Received:
    8,682
    Jeffries-Corbett I.
     
    djanders, Mike Cannon, Fergy and 3 others like this.
  6. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2011
    Messages:
    5,040
    Likes Received:
    4,974
    Driscoll v Ledoux?
     
  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,383
    Likes Received:
    12,741
    Wlad-Joshua
    Fitzsimmons-Jeffries II
    Eubank-Thompson II
    Jeffries-Corbett I

    All outstanding examples. All of them so close.
     
    Mike Cannon and Fergy like this.
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,383
    Likes Received:
    12,741
    Perfect. I recall reading about this and how Driscoll was way ahead on points at his advanced age with only a couple of rounds to go. Can't remember how it was stopped though, but good example.
     
    Fergy likes this.
  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2017
    Messages:
    8,584
    Likes Received:
    11,099
    There's some footage of it.
     
  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,383
    Likes Received:
    12,741
    I just watched it. It appeared to be fatigue and too tired to get out of the way of those right uppercuts from Ledoux. The stoppage was strange. Driscoll came out for the 16th round ready to go but a towel (actually a couple of towels) followed him out of the corner.
     
    Fergy and BitPlayerVesti like this.
  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2017
    Messages:
    29,704
    Likes Received:
    36,354
    Can we include Jersey Joe verse Marciano 1?
    Old Joe came EXTREMELY close to getting that decision. And changing boxing history.
     
  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,383
    Likes Received:
    12,741
    I like your style, Fergy, but this would be a bit difficult as JJ was the defending champ and not embarking on a comeback. But good thought.
     
    Fergy likes this.
  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2017
    Messages:
    29,704
    Likes Received:
    36,354
    Ahh sugar, your right. Ah well CT, back to the drawing board.
     
  14. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich A lot of people have pools Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2020
    Messages:
    2,045
    Likes Received:
    3,004
    Takayama vs Soto is a pretty recent example of this.
     
  15. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2017
    Messages:
    11,654
    Likes Received:
    17,938
    Tapia vs MAB
    well at least on one scorecard