Bigger win: Fury Wlad or Usyk AJ?

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Bigger win: Fury Wlad or Usyk AJ?

  1. Fury Wlad

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    52.1%
  2. Usyk AJ

    45 vote(s)
    47.9%
  1. Malieke.H

    Malieke.H New Member banned Full Member

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    Disagree. Joshua isn't a hypejob and i say Fury beats Joshua but lets not act like Usyk wouldn't give Fury fits. Steve Cunningham comes to mind

    Besides, had Fury not ducked the rematch he likely would've gotten his lights shut out. Klitschko was prepared to fight an aggressive fight and let his hands go. He outboxed a old Klitschko who was too worried to let his hands fly. It was no clinic
     
  2. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can look at it two ways; the manner in which fury beat Klitschko was less impressive than the manner in which Usyk beat Joshua

    but having an “undefeated for 10 years Klitschko” on your résumé is much more impressive than a still questionable Anthony Joshua win on your résumé
     
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  3. Mr Applebee

    Mr Applebee Active Member Full Member

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    I voted Fury-Wlad as I felt that Usyk might beat Joshua from the moment it was announced.

    I didn’t think fury had a cat in hells chance of beating Wlad
     
  4. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Joshua is a hypejob in the sense that he's been massively overhyped, not that he's complete sh*t. He's a very good fighter, like Povetkin or Ortiz but that's not how he's been marketed. He was marketed as the next Klitschko-style dominant heavyweight, when he's really Wlad without the athleticism, punching power, all round skills and vast experience.

    Top 10 ATG cruiser Steve Cunningham got stopped in 7 by 24.5 year old trainerless Fury in America for the only KO defeat of his 40 fight career. Fury has far more size, athleticism, skills, toughness and heart than AJ, which is why he's a big favourite in the hypothetical Usyk fight.

    Why didn't Wlad let his hands go? Because he was worried about 27 year old pre-prime Fury's counters and gassing out and didn't have the range or speed to reliably catch the more athletic, extremely defensively skilled Fury. Fury exhibited some of the most outrageous boxing showboating of all time while schooling Wlad 10-2 in his backyard (the greatest HW clinic of all time) then lost the plot in the aftermath as there were no more challenges. It's like saying "AJ will destroy Usyk by letting his hands go in the rematch, he won't be gunshy next time" but this displays complete ignorance of what actually happened.
     
  5. Malieke.H

    Malieke.H New Member banned Full Member

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    Fury was down on the judges cards against somebody that lacks the head movement, agility, foot speed, southpaw stance, and ring intelligence of Usyk. Usyk also brushed off shots from Aj and according to Otto Wallin, Aj hit him harder in the amatures than Fury did in the pros. Fury was a little weight drained but Wallin also had head gear on against Aj so my point still stands.
    In your own words AJ doesn't have Wlads athleticism, punching power, all round skills and vast experience ;). Fury is also a much bigger target than Usyk and moves around less

    Thats why Wlad had been training to take a more offensive route against Tyson. Wlad still caught him with shots while Fury was moving around and had he let his hands go more he could have caught him with a big one. Fury has a good chin but he's been hurt several times in his career and Wlad possesses lots of power, technical skill, and speed on top of that. Looking at the rematch gloves are off, it was Wlad who had the mental advantage and he was motivated to get his belts back and If Fury didn't duck him i believe he would have.
     
  6. Malieke.H

    Malieke.H New Member banned Full Member

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    No more challenges ? The Wlad rematch was there

    Quack Quack Fury

    :bananaride
     
  7. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    As I said, Fury was 24.5, was doing fat camp every fight, had no real trainer in his corner and was not taking the fight seriously. He regarded Cunningham as no threat to him and got off to a bad start in the 2nd round but came back to bulldoze the hitherto never-stopped Cunningham in the 7th. I suspect that Fury will be coming into his absolute prime very soon; he's leaps and bounds ahead of where he was almost a decade ago. This isn't to say that Usyk (who is much better than Cunningham) won't cause Fury problems but he's the underdog for good reason.

    AJ gave Usyk the 2nd toughest fight of his career while being a vastly inferior fighter to Fury, his size and power alone was a challenge. AJ may punch harder than Fury at his best (the jury is out) but punching power is just one component of KO ability. Size, mental and physical toughness, speed, reflexes, co-ordination, engine, strength, skills etc. all contribute to making a fighter a KO threat at elite level.

    Derek Chisora was able to land over 130 punches on Usyk according to compubox and the consensus on eyeonthering is that he won 4 rounds, yet he was barely able to land a glove on 26 year old Fury. Even 23 year old Fury was able to win 10/11 rounds. Defensive Fury is hard to hit because he's not just fast, agile and defensively skilled but extremely long and hits much harder than Usyk. Neither Wlad nor AJ let their hands go because they were fearful of getting countered and gassing out and probably thought they could win hometown decisions while getting dominated.
     
  8. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Then Wlad shouldn't have sh*t the bed in the fight in Germany, neither should Foreman, Hagler or Vitali but at least they got stuck in. Wlad is still salty about it to this day and will be for the rest of his life.
     
  9. Malieke.H

    Malieke.H New Member banned Full Member

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    He also regarded Cunningham as toughest fight and credited Cunningham because he was light on his feet and hard to hit. He stopped Cunningham in 7th that may be true but Cunningham had dropped Fury like a sack of potatoes, had hurt him badly and had him hanging on for life a round after, was outboxing him and was ahead on most peoples cards. To say Cunningham was his hardest fight isn't a reach or any sort. Maybe if Fury didn't fight bin men like Tom Schwarz in between his Wilder fights he would be KTFO. He got 4 rounds taken off him by nobody Wallin and got rocked in 12th. When Usyk schools him you'll be looking real stupid. He'll bring Wladimir justice for ducking like fat loser he is :p
    Michael Hunter, Bellew and Chisora took more more rounds off Usyk than bodybuilder did. Aj didn't give him much trouble. Usyk himself says this
    Styles make fights, Fury goes life and death with Cunningham and has easy time with Chisora like Pulev did. Usyk struggles with pressure, not taller fighters. Usyk will make Fury lie down for good. Glass chin Fury. Rocked by Cunningham, Firtha and Wallin
     
  10. Malieke.H

    Malieke.H New Member banned Full Member

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    Quack Quack Fury

    Retired because he did not want that rematch

    He knew Wlad was going to brutally KHTFO
     
  11. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I get that you hate Fury but if you're not going to make honest arguments (such saying Fury has a good chin in a previous comment and a glass chin now is one example) I have no time for you and you can get muted.
     
  12. drenlou

    drenlou Tres Delinquentes Full Member

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    People want to talk about Vitali in a weak era, AJ IS In an even worse era. Fury beating Wlad was Great, usyk beating joshua is very good.
     
  13. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Hardly say it's shot Wlad. He's past his prime, but he's still better than most around today. He'd still be #4 today.

    39-41 year old Wlad would beat Wilder and below IMO.
     
  14. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury beating Wlad over a decade of dominance easily. Usyks win was great and looked way betrer but it doesnt compare to that. Especially since AJ already got beaten up by Ruiz.
     
  15. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are completely right. It was still shot wlad who fought fury in comparison to the wlad of 2 or 3 years ago.

    It's just a Testament to wlad, that even shot and in the 40s he still a top 5 heavyweight.

    Just an atg