Tyson Luke Fury vs. Deontay Leshun Wilder III & Efetobore Ajagba vs. Frank Sánchez Faure RBR

I give fury of Vlad and Wilder I ab excellent chance against Usyk.

 

Absolutely

 

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Wilder got beaten by a Fury that barely tried. He had little respect for Wilder (which almost cost him) and just went in there and battered him. Wilder got sonned.

 

Didn't stay up for this one as I felt - aside from Fury getting sloppy and Wilder getting a hail mary - there was only gonna be one winner.

And although it more or less went how I expected it would, a couple of things to observe:-

• Wilder had success in the first round because Scott and his team look like they had a decent gameplan. But Wilder wouldn't or couldn't stick to it
• Wilder has tremendous heart to have stayed in there till 11 - respect in that, he was staggering like a drunkar from the mid-rounds
• Fury looked a beat or two off tonight until around 6th or 7th - when Wilder was noticably fatigued - defence was leaky, footwork and movement was noticably off. Maybe how Wilder came out in round threw him off a bit, but I think Fury from last night would have had a torrid time with Usyk.
• I think the extra mass didn't do WIlder any favours - he looked noticably gassed VERY early. Why does he and his team insist on these costumes and **** when it's obviously affecting his energy? Madness.
• I've always said that Wilder had NOTHING except that Right Hand. But in the 1st round he did show he could - even for a short time - box to a plan and have success; his team need to focus on how/why he got away from that plan? Lack of discipline would be my guess.
• Russel Mora gave BOTh fighters fairly long / slow counts I though - most controversial in Round 4 obviously - I hope that Wilder and his team don't focus on that or some other "frayed end of sanity".

I for one hope there is ZERO talk of a 4th match up between these two - Wilder might fluke a win with that right hand, but anyone that knows **** about boxing can see that Fury is gonna win like 99 times out of 100.

I for one would now like to see:-

• Fury vs Usyk - the 2 best in the divsion for all the glory
• Wilder vs Joshua - propbably the more fun matchup between 2 guys that are gonna be hurting and looking for redemption.

 

Believe it or not, he's already on one published album at least (albeit a Robbie Williams Xmas one )

 

Jesus @CST80 . Hands down the worst card I've seen from you. I hope you're joking!

10-9 Wilder
10-9 Fury/Wilder - Swing round if you're generous
10-8 Fury
10-7 Wilder
10-9 Fury
10-9 Fury
10-9 Fury
10-9 Fury
10-9 Fury
10-8 Fury
Fury wins by KO.

 

Exactly. In the UFC the big fights happen as soon as it's time, every time.

Fights don't need to be sold if they're competitive enough.

 

Rubbish. Fury gave it all. Wilder gave it all. And Fury just had a little too much. That's all. Wilder can be proud of that performance.

Fury has consistently said Wilder is the most dangerous heavyweight in history. I don't know how you can call that disrespectful.

 

And Fury looked nowhere near 100% fit, like the first.

 

Don't know why this is so difficult...

Wilder's best win is a close bout (incl. some referee help) against a guy with a worse resume than Chisora.

On top of that, there are two major reasons to suspect he'd lose more if he fought top-10 fighters:
1) He'll definitely have taken damage in this fight, psychologically even if miraculously not physically.
2) The blueprint is there now.

Wilder's always been hopelessly overrated and it's not changing anytime soon, you shouldn't be so surprised this is confusing people.


In fairness to Wilder, he took his beating like a man and didn't quit - there's macho/masochist points there despite it being a second loss to a poorly conditioned version of Fury (to go with the demolishing from fit Fury)

It was an enjoyable fight and there are things to credit Deontay for (and I'm one of his critics for sure) but this didn't paint him as any less poor as a boxer than he was throughout his title reign.

 

To us they don't, because we know that already.

To casuals? They absolutely do...

And you have to cast your mind back to understand this particular one - Wilders profile at that point wasn't nearly what it is now, the fights with Fury have elevated him from almost total unknown to almost household name with casuals and even non-fans.

If you'd made AJ-Wilder back then, you'd have had to convince people Wilder was a genuine threat for them to believe it was competitive and worth buying (a bit like Ortiz had to be hyped for the Wilder fight to sell) - the hype sticks around long after the fight it's pushed hardest for.

 

Because Fury is not a total idiot. If he discredits his best wins his record looks even worse.

But Fury was sloppy and at times reckless in this fight compared to the second fight where he was fully focused. But after 19 rounds he realised he had his number and walked him down with hardly any of the feints and head movement and judgement of distance that characterised the first two fights. And Fury had way too much, not a little. Wilder was spent after 3-4 rounds and if he was in with a heavy handed, quality finisher he would've been stopped before round six at most. Fury spent the whole fight smothering his work and leaning. Someone like Joshua would've taken a step back, set up a combination and had him out of there.

He got beaten up - again. And his party trick failed him - again. Make no mistake this was a tune up for Fury.

 

But there's enough time for the hype there and then without having undercard fights and having to build something for a year.

Too many fights in boxing never happen.

 

True, but it's often a question of circumstances, and the fact that boxing relies on casuals much more than MMA.

Wilder wanted to build his profile with, he thought, shot Fury because he wanted a bigger piece of the pie.

Hype might have made the pie bigger, but it wouldn't have gotten Deontay a bigger piece - to do that, he'd need to get closer to equal recognition with the target audience (which again includes casuals).


I'm not saying this is how it should be, but it's how it is.