Did Malik Scott add value as Wilders trainer?

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  1. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder still made the same mistakes as the second fight. He was carrying too much muscle mass. He was clueless in the clinched, he was out of gas early in the fight, he was poor defensively off the back foot, he was still very predictably throwing his right hand wildly.

    Is he sadly another hype job yes man cheer leader rather than an actual professional trainer?
     
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    He was never going to match Fury for strength in the clinch but he thought he could by bench pressing larger weights. Thats not how it works.
    Poor strategy in hindsight. He should have stayed lighter
     
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    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    God, No. Scott was brought in as a yes man and to stroke Wilder's ego. I can't imagine Scott taught him anything.
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes. Lasted a round, and looked pretty sweet. But you can't make those big changes in that sort of period of time, it was never going to be possible to make real changes. Overall, he probably did the best he could with the pig's ear he had.
     
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    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    He did better than the second fight. Hit the body well when he committed there and landed in exchanges that in the second fight he shelled up for. Not enough to win of course.

    I think bulking was a mistake and his offense lacked variety once he tired out
     
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    I thought Wilder’s work was spot on in the 1st round. He then abandoned it. Was that the game plan, and Wilder went off script from the 2nd onwards? Wallin had his best success targeting the body of Fury also, until he deviated.

    I’m sure that someone in Wilder’s camp once called him untrainable.
     
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    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Under scuba he only lasted an extra 3 RDS unlike when he had Breeland.

    But in the end, he got more badly KOd than in the 2nd.
     
  8. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And if he stayed lighter Fury would have probably finished him by round 7.
     
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    panchman69 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yes but wilder has to be willing to follow through with the gameplans. if hes gonna be stubborn, then theres not trainer in the world that can help wilder.
     
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    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    The most value Scott added to Wilder's career was when he took a dive against him.
     
  11. MagicE

    MagicE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought he came with a good plan, made some good adjustments early on and Malik was giving good instructions at the start of the fight. He was telling him to fight on the break and Wilder had some success with that.

    After the early KDs Wilder was gassed and the tactics sort of went out of the window but overall I felt Malik did a good job.
     
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    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    100%

    One of the most blatant fixes in boxing history.
     
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    VBOX JOURNEYMAN Full Member

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    Wilder needs to tighten up that defence badly. It’s almost like he thinks everyone fights like himself. He covers up for a 1 - 2, then relaxes his guard thinking it’s over, but when the opponent starts throwing combinations he’s toast.
     
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    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    No not really they double downed on the same strategy for fight 2 in fight 3, come in even heavier and don't wait and try to bomb him out early.

    Sure he got him to focus to the body early, but as everyone expected once it got remotely competitive the plan went out the window and Wilder reverted to his old self.

    Coming in heavy was dumb, especially where they added the weight, he was even more top heavy, even more prone to gassing and was totally dominated in the clinch. Wilder is simply clueless in a clinch, Fury just used his head, drove it into Wilder's to move his head onto his left shoulder, so he could create space for the uppercut, collar tied with the left hand and then hit him with the upper cut, Fury did this over and over again and Wilder didn't know how to stop it.
     
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    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Malik did the best he could, which in my opinion was a very good job, but If a fighter won’t follow instructions the fighter is to blame.

    Malik has a history with Fury and sparred him a lot when Fury first started fighting in America, so Wilder was a fool to stop following instructions.

    Wilder is a perfect example of being his own worst enemy. He’s had excellent people on his team over the years giving him the proper instructions, but his unwillingness to listen results in people getting tired and abandoning him and Wilder getting undesirable results in the ring.

    Wilder ruined the relationship with both Russ Anber and Mark Breland, who got him to the title. In the second Fury fight having Anber, who is one of the best cutmen in the business could’ve helped Wilder with that cut, but by that time Anber was long gone.

    Wilder has Jess Willard syndrome, since like Wilder Willard after winning the title also ruined the relationship with all the guys, who helped get him to the title and rehired his head trainer as a sparring partner at reduced pay and we all know how that worked out for Willard.
     
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