Sonny Liston

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes it’s laughable to say the third-hardest puncher Ali faced hit harder than Wilder.
     
  2. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well ,, we know one thing is for sure ,,,Wilder doesn't hit hard enough to take out Fury ..
     
  3. moneytheman12

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    fact fury is way better then deontay no compare
     
  4. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    not any to me
    it's not about hitting hard it's about landing punches fury cant lose by 1 hard shot he shown that doesn't work he needs to be beat down like mike had to be and deontay cant do that
     
  5. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    and ,,, to be fair ,, I do agree with this .. Even tho I'm not the biggest fan of them , Lewis has earned every right resume wise and a H2H basis to make any top 10 HW list imo.. In fact , many I think here have him top 5 .. and Wlad seems to be even tho outside of the top 10 . moving up a spot here or there over time .. I dont know .. I agree with what you are saying .. As I think Fury . more than his resume suggests compared to a Lewis as you say, just looks like a nightmare H2H for a lot of the historical greats
     
  6. Saintpat

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    One thing that bothers me about the Brothers Klitschko is how when one of them would lose it would be the other who would then engage the guy who won rather than the Vitali or Wlad trying to avenge their own defeats.

    Journeyman Ross Purity beats Wlad and Wlad wants no part of a rematch … goes running to his brother to try to avenge him.

    Corrie Sanders blasts Wlad into next month … Vitali to the rescue.

    Chris Byrd beats Vitali, does Vitali say ‘get him back in the ring and let me show it’s a fluke’? No, he goes crying to mom that the mean American beat him and begs her to send his brother to do something about it.

    Say what you will about Wilder, he wanted Fury in the first place. And again. And again, even after being thoroughly dominated.

    If Wlad or Vitali had exhibited the minerals to try to rematch those guys who beat them, they might have lost a second or third time and been well and done with, afterthoughts in their eras.

    Speaking to the guy in the thread topic, Sonny Liston at least had the guts to try Ali again after Muhammad made him quit, and also rematched the guy who broke his jaw to show he had improved and wasn’t afraid.

    I guess in Germany the mamas have big aprons for the kids to hide behind.
     
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  7. moneytheman12

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    right and people say George could beat him yet he struggled with jim who was way less skilled then fury people act like they cant see good or just stuck on names instead of analyzing fighters

    oh this person is a legend so I pick him
    louis beat big fighters so he could beat fury razor and lennox yet nobody louis fought moved good like these dudes or hit with great tech or was as tough for taking damage

    I asked mutiple times for somebody to show me anybody louis fought who moved like razor they wont cause it didnt exist people so stuck on names they lie and pretend to be blind
     
  8. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You cant argue with this !!
     
  9. Saintpat

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    The version of Razor who moved wasn’t really a contender, though. That’s not the Donovan Ruddock who people think of — show me his fancy footwork against Tyson or Dokes or Bonecrusher.

    You have to go back pretty far in his career to the first 15 fights or so, where he was winning a split decision over a past-it Mike Weaver (who got KO’d in one round the fight before) or getting knocked out by Dave Jaco or fighting to a draw with 7-21 Phil Brown.

    I don’t think Razor ever beat anyone remotely like — on the level of — Joe Louis for that matter. It makes no sense to me to assume Ruddock would win because … well early in his career before he got good, he moved some.

    Joe’s resume is indisputably better than Ruddock. Razor didn’t beat just a whole lot of world-class guys, and the better punchers he faced for the most part sparked him out or beat him up — Lewis, Tyson, Morrison. Nice win over Bonecrusher, but Smith was 0-2-1 in his last three fights. Razor was a one-trick pony with the smash and if he didn’t land it, or if he did and you didn’t go bye-bye, he really didn’t have any other answers.
     
  10. moneytheman12

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    he didnt beat anybody on the level of who Louis beat none of those dudes would make pro what is it your ranking on resume cause I talk of skills only and the people who beat razor would beat all those in Louis era


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    here see this so your saying it makes no sense to pick razor is odd it is nobody who moved this good in Louis era and he stuggled with people like max who was the top name back then who would be destroyed by razor fast and wouldnt be a struggle

    and max wasnt tech at all sloopy slow stiff so Louis is the one who makes no sense to pick sense he had the same outdated flaws

    resume means nothing when the era is outclassed in skill im not impressed by those who never would make pro and would easily be destroyed by any big or middle carder 70s-90s boxer

    I asked magoo and mark mutiple times to show a person who moved like razor or old George in Louis era they wont cause it didnt exist

    most know im not a fan of George style never have been and not a big fan of razor and razor was a slug type to but his punches wasnt as sloopy so I do like his punch tech better

    my facts have nothing to do with liking a person fighting style it's the obvious fact from video they would outclass those in Louis era it's easy to see by looking how they fought
     
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  11. Claw4075

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    Wilder savagely KOs him under 3.
    Fury outboxes and the KOs him late.
     
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  12. Saintpat

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    I’m guessing they’re like me and have no idea what you mean by ‘moved like Razor.’
     
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    im guessing sense your skipping over all I said you know i was right
     
  14. moneytheman12

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    argee on deon but not on fury it's no reason fury cant beat him faster then the card when son is to slow and easy to read
     
  15. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Yea I'm thinking Ruddock got knocked down alot. He usually got up. In a sense I that is movement. In theory when Joe Louis puts him down it won't be any movement he wasn't used to. That's all I got on that one.
     
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