Yes .And that is different to saying he lacked kayo power ,which you tried to insinuate I said! How many did he score?
Marciano produced big one punch Ko'd over Walcott, and the punch is studied by trainers to this day. The same for Layne. All you can do is move the goal posts backward... How many one or two punch non beat down KO's did he score? Quite a few, but you can trap yourself now by giving a number needed to qualify and then I can easily show you by your own foolish standard fighter XYZ lacked one punch power. You won't do this... A small sampling of ten counts and one or two big punches that ended things early for Marciano: Epperson got the better of the action for two rounds, as Marciano threw wild haymakers that missed their mark. In the third round, Marciano ended the fight with a right uppercut that knocked Epperson through the ropes and out of the ring. Years later, Belzarian recalled, "The first time he knocked me down, he broke my tooth. Then he knocked me down again. Then I don’t remember anything. Quinn won the second round by a wide margin, but Marciano quickly dropped him for the full count in round three with a right uppercut. Marciano landed a tremendous right to the head of Eddie Ross, sending his opponent's mouthpiece flying, to end the fight. Ross was out cold before he hit the canvas. Weeks landed a couple of good rights, but Marciano uncorked a long right hand that dropped his opponent and caused the referee to stop the fight. Now for a few historians, might as well bury you now and move on.. Marcian landed a tremendous right to the head of Eddie Ross, sending his opponent's mouthpiece flying, to end the fight. Ross was out cold before he hit the ca Grombach (1977 p 83) said that Marciano was “a dedicated, never-say-die, superbly self-disciplined athlete with many physical handicaps. Only Gene Tunney equaled the quite unannounced confidence, discipline, and insurmountable will-to-win of Marciano, although Marciano’s physical equipment was far inferior to Tunney’s.” He added, “Marciano may well have been the hardest hitter in the game.” vas. Weeks landed a couple of good rights, but Marciano uncorked a long right hand that dropped his opponent and caused the referee to stop the fight. Now for a few historians, might as well bury you now and move on.. Fleischer and Andre (1975 p 145) called him “a fighter with iron fists.” Jack Kearns, Dempsey’s old manager, said “When it comes to one-punch hitting, this kid is better than Dempsey and Louis” (see Durant 1976 p 119). Red Smith said Rocky “is known as the best one-punch hitter of them all” (see Litsky 1975 p 220). Durant (1976 pp 114-115) described Marciano as follows, “He had determination, he had an exceptionally powerful build and he had a blockbuster of a punch … he had enormous arms and shoulders and a pair of hands like boulders.” Grombach (1977 p 83) said that Marciano was “a dedicated, never-say-die, superbly self-disciplined athlete with many physical handicaps. Only Gene Tunney equaled the quite unannounced confidence, discipline, and insurmountable will-to-win of Marciano, although Marciano’s physical equipment was far inferior to Tunney’s.” He added, “Marciano may well have been the hardest hitter in the game.”
Sorry to be harsh, but... Max Baer was a sloppy windmiller whose reputation vastly flatters him but who in reality wouldn't crack any top ten HW punchers list from the 80s onwards. Once you move past Baer you have to talk about guys like Galento and Simon, both atrocious brawlers with revolting technique, and Max's brother Buddy -- who wasn't a bad puncher to be fair, but wouldn't stand out in a historical sense. Outside of that you've got to bring up fighters who wouldn't be HWs today; fine punchers in some cases but undersized. So the fact that Louis wasn't KOed more often than he was can easily be put down to the fact that he didn't face the type of punchers that would have been able to test his chin, because they weren't around in his time. It's not an unsolvable conundrum, and it also says nothing negative about Louis himself, who was as fine a champion in his time as anyone who came after.
What type of punchers exactly are you talking about? I don't think you will find somebody who hit a lot harder then the Baer brothers.
This is true. You could say the gloves back then added to the power, and you could also say the fighters today punch a bit harder in general at heavyweight than they did 60+ years ago.
It’s really funny- A lot of these guys have never boxed and don’t realise how easy it is to get floored by a big shot and not be hurt- It can be your foot in the wrong spot and lots of little things.
Barrock and Conn were non puchers but stunned / floored Joe Louis.B Baer did land much. Louis got caught often, even from Galento.
You need to chose your argument here. Was he getting hit a lot or not, because if he was, then he must have had either pretty good defense, or a pretty good chin. The man fought 31 ranked contenders, and went fifteen years without getting stopped.
It's not true when you consider he was only stopped twice , once far past it ... that said I like your avatar as I see similarities between Joshua and Louis .. both terrific talents that could be stunned , both who when reprogrammed do far better in rematches ... I'm one person that thinks Joshua makes adjustments and beats Usyk in the rematch ..
Partial Quote... I've thought about this fight many times through the years. There's no doubt that Walcott could have gotten the nod, decision wise. My question is, was Louis really lucky to have gotten the win in this one? Imagine Walcott being named Champion after this fight. Then comes the inevitable rematch. Louis wins by knockout, becoming the first man ever to regain the Lineal Heavyweight title. That actually may have helped his legacy. Even a Louis - Walcott 3 was possible, more money, and probably another win by Louis, and more legacy building.
He was getting hit by non punchers and went down. That's my argument. The reasons are he lacked defense and the chin. He's fortune to have fought in in down time for the talent.
There's nothing you can say negative about it. Louis was stopped one time at or near his prime. That took an accumulation of damage. How many other chins were as battle tested? 15 years at the top 12 as the Champion including 25 defenses. Give it a grade? At least a B.
Louis would get inside or at midrange tear Foreman up. The man was surgical. Foreman had a good chin but he will be catching the clean punches. By the way Louis hits much harder than Ali.
