Sonny Liston

Bonecrusher Smith had success vs the best version of Razor Ruddock. Smith had him hurt and down on the canvas. Bonecrusher was close to 40 by then. Did Smith display this type of modern movement or coordination your saying Joe Louis lacked?

 

so legend etm your trying to point a loss as flaw which I never brought up I said movement only no matter who won or loss doesn't change razor movement was more advanced it's odd to say just cause a person lost means they didnt have better movement then a person in another era

smith was also a slugger like razor who also had better movement then louis and that era to

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most known smith for being a aggressive close range slugger and razor being more long range type slug

you can see smith moving around good throwing combos from his distance while staying in at times throwing shots
putting up hands to throw then resets back to block

I always liked smith combos from angles never moved to good on feet but could throw good shots from angles while being close range

razor you can see he pick shots from distance throwing combos while circling or throwing long range shots while ducking and moving feet smoothly
razor was always to me the best feet movement slugger in hw who hit hard I seen I like his movements and most people know im not a big fan of that style

both showed mutiple other small detail changes in movement

now louis

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he throws combos while moving forward in a basic way throwing shots he will sometimes switch angles while throwing which is smooth but it is not as smoothly as razor cause of the outdated foot movement

look at the foot movement of both louis and max there it looks similar like the whole era not unique

the upperbody movement is not as multi angled like razor would use and Louis was missing the other small details I told you razor and smith like others from that era had

so no it's not me saying something that like you thought I made up what Louis didnt have he didnt have these things its right here on video for you to see

 

I think Fury is great for now. I think Liston was great for then.

A fight between the two can only happen if the two of them exist at the same time. So if they meet it can only be in Fury’s era or Sonny’s time. For that to happen one or the other would be disadvantaged in the others era. They just absolutely would.

As much as I like what Usyk did, in that he was able to show a skilful and technical game can still conquer all, even this more transferable champ would also have to adapt to another era.

call it a cop out, but Sonny wins in his own era and Fury wins in his own era. It can’t happen any other way because both would have to completely compromise what they were known for in order to fight each other as they are.

 

Which is more than can be said for your posts.

 

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good breakdown of this slow motion
look like he had a trainer in front of him telling him where to punch easy to read punch like overrated fighter

 

I kinda lost interest in this guy's opinions after he said the best book about Liston is Paul Gallender's because the others are "a bit too factual" and therefore "boring".

 

it's not opinion on what he said in this video

 

That would be a lot of posters, including myself. keep well.

 

What specifically is the difference between boxing in the 60's and in the 2020s?
Which punches have altered?
Which styles have evolved since the 60's that were not seen before?
Apart from the reduction from15 to12 rds what has materially changed in your view?

 

I don't respond to him anymore,at first I thought he was a troll,but,though trolls talk deliberate nonsense to elicit a reaction,you can usually understand their posts even while disagreeing with them.
This guy is completely ,"off the wall",and maybe," knitting with only one needle."

eg.If you thought so little of the old timers ,why would you post on a classic forum?
For me the comedic value of his posts has worn out.

 

??? LOL

 

Brilliant!

 

Fury would be wasting his breath with his rants toward Liston, can imagine every jibe thrown by Fury building up inside Liston to be released come fight night through his fists.

 

improved nutrition, training and science and more readily available information both legal and illegal has transformed what was previously physically achievable.

This means A fighter can carry more weight without it hindering his performance so much. Leading to a creation of artificially enhanced boxers that could never have existed previously.

gloves have changed. They are bigger. Foam filled. The target area is reduced which prolongs the efforts of the attacking fighter. Thumbs are at attached. This prevents a lot of subtle techniques within a clinch both defensively and offensively. Fights have been won and lost on what a moving thumb could do.

canvas padding has changed. This can alter the development of footwork.

The ring and turnbuckle has changed. Even This can alter the flow of a fight.

 

Wladimir (even old) is on the level of a prime Liston.