Fury's Power

You are being serious? So since this time you did not try another bitter, petty insult, let's give you another chance.
You did not go back enough if you only saw Frazier & Louis. Again-I said that these are the two I named the last time I tried to get you to pay attention. But I also had said you could use any of the many folks who were down against more people than Wilder, or KOed more often.
Like Lewis for example. Now many are wrong that he had a terrible chin, but you know the results in his prime against 2 ATGs.
That would also be unbalanced, because unlike Wilder he took hellacious shots from big punchers.

I also enumerated seven (7) points in just a recent post. Whether I went into details OR was briefer, you did not regard detail. There was plenty of it: why give even more when you did not pay attention, & falsely insulted the content I included as lacking?

So you wanna talk? OK, this time stick to the points.
I will model this by directly addressing what you just claimed.


Wilder fought low competition for a champ, I keep saying that.
But you can start a thread & see that it is untrue he did not face anyone with decent power. He fought big modern guys, that they tended to be what he avoided, the best, does not mean they could not hit & again, Wilder was no defensive genius, he was hit often enough, his chin is decent.

Frazier fought some top fighters, but he also did not face a great deal of the best punchers around then.
The 2 you named were the hardest hitters, he was knocked down many times by Foreman in 2 fights, & repeatedly by Bonavena, he describes in his autobopgraphy (though obviously ghostwritten) how he held on to survive.
The hard hitters were also not the only ones to floor Frazier & you should look that up.

Also many feel Ali might have finished him except for premature intervention in round 2 of the second fight with Ali, but arguably that is a bit of counterbalance for the extreme holding Ali was permitted in that bout.
Still Frazier-or Louis, down a bunch of times-did not have bad chins, far from it.
But if you have a guy with 40 some fights against big-huge HWs who is not slickster down against only 2, less than the ATGs-he *also* does not have a bad chin.
Even though his skills are much more limited!


Yes before the Ruiz fight being down against only Klitchko & fighting decent competition (better than Wilder), means that AJ should have been listed as having a decent chin.
Not great, & exposed as a fighter a bit since then, but like most of the best fighters around across divisions, it was not bad.
if you start a thread about it & are very specific about how it should have been rated then, but nowhere near glass.

These extremes that fighters you or others do not like are awful in every particular way are emotional, not logical decisions.
A guy can be limited at World Class level, have an only OK to good chin-& way less than iron-& not have a terrible chin!
If Wilder was really rocked every time he was hit, he would have been down numerous times.

 

Lewis wasn't glass chined but as everyone saw he could be hurt badly. Do you know what is the difference between him and Wilder?
1. Lewis competed against real punchers
2. Lewis took some hard punches on that chin and fought on.

I mean, Wilder fought 2 somewhat decent opponents, that is 2 fights against Ortiz and 3 against Fury. In every single one of this fights he was hurt.
I can understand saying he doesn't have a 'glass' chin. But it's very far from decent.

 

He doesnt have power like Wlad, Foreman, Lennox, AJ, Tyson or Wilder.
But he has enough power to hurt someone or getting a ko in.
He's no heavyweight Malignaggi for example.
For a big he is closer in power to say Vitali than Valuev when he sits on his punches.
But if he was a real big puncher hevwoukd have gotten Wallin out of there when he wanted to or got rid of Wilder earlier.

 

Well you have moved on this & we are not that far apart.
You did not disagree or address some of what I said, but I agree with your first point; if "real punchers" means top notch hitters, yep.
On the second point, I think you mean fought on & was not finished off (not counting 2 obvious examples, one maybe stopped early...)
Yes, though Wilder showed mucho courage for all his other boxing & personal flaws.

Wilder fought other decent fighters, but not much of what you meant-top contenders.
Still he fought big guys who could hit hard.
He remained aloft vs. Ortiz, & yes on Fury-but Fury really did increase both his volume & power.

Lewis had at least a good chin. Usually excellent with 2 dramatic exceptions.
Wilder given his lack of defense & # of opponents who put him down has a decent chin.

If you say he does not, then Frazier & Louis, down more often & Frazier in less fights, do not have a decent chin.
Although far better fighters.

 

I think Fury's power is fine but nothing to get carried away with. Deontay has been wobbled by tomato cans. Wilder was gassed for 6 rounds before Fury could but him away.
In round 7 Fury nailed Wilder over and over again. Clean shots, hooks, crosses, uppercuts and combinations.
Either Wilder has serious whiskers (he might) or Fury isn't devastating, power wise.

 

From 1 to 10, no more than 6. Wilder is not a good barometer for anything actually. Let's be real here. His record was big time padded, and except Ortiz who was ancient, and as well have a padded record, and fought nobody, there wasn't any name in that resume - none.
And Wilder was hurt quite a lot of times by complete bums. He was knockdown by a complete nobody, and his team manage to erase that record from the internet.
Now a lot of people on here just don't know fighting for real, and are super fast to hype and overrate after a win, and underrate after a lose.
Same when a fighters get KO or KD. Million thread how the X fighter was a glass jawed and all that kind of stuffs.
There is a multiple factors, not just the Chin. For an example in what shape you are, in what weight you are in going into the fight, are you get used to the new weight, how is your weight distribution across your body, and so on.
For example Ruiz absolutely have an insane chin, but he was KD and hurt by Arreola, because of the factors mention above. He was not used to the new weight, and even maybe he won't have the same punch resistance on that weight.

But here is the case with Wilder. I actually think he had decent chin, and maybe even a great one, but he doesn't have any legs whatsoever, and the moment you punch him, his legs are gone, and he is doing some clunky stuffs, and looks drunk, even if its the second round. The guy also doesn't have any cardio at all. He also doesn't have a good balance at all. On top of that he doesn't train properly and obviously doesn't know how to gain weight by the proper weight. The whole weight he has gained from Fury 1 to 3, was on his upper body, zero on the legs.
Lewis said it best in the commendatory table. This is not how you gain weight for boxing/fighting.
A lot of boxers are missing the legs part, and they are having terrible balance, recovery and they lose their legs in the fight.

Wilder problem was the legs, and Fury shots was just taking him out of the ground. It's like lifting him. It was so funny and strange to see.

If Fury fights Whyte, Usyk and Joshua, then the real story will tell, about his real level(in terms of level against Whyte it will be his consistency, not that Whyte is some great fighter), and his real power.
Obviously at 270 pounds, his punches going to hurt, but he is lacking explosiveness big time. And he slow down quite a bit with the extra weigh, which also COULD hurt his power.

 

Good post.

I do reckon that you underestimate Fury's power. Other than that, good post.

 

No more than a 6? Definitely more than that. Probably like an 8. He kept WK at bay and manhandled another 6'7 240lb. fighter.

 

When he sits down on his shots - aka turns into Kronk Fury - he can crack

 

When people on here will start accepting that other people have their view/opinion, cause at the end of the day this is 100% subjective.
Wilder was gas out in the second round, and his legs were gone, and it took Fury 11 rounds to finish the job done.

You also understand that the bar is from 1 to 10, and 6 is above average ??? A 8 is close to be one of the hardest punchers, and in a ***** way Fury is there, he ain't 7 as well.

And while people can bring all the excuses in the world for Fury, he couldn't stop Pianeta, and while that was Fury second fight after coming back, that version of Pianeta was a shadow of himself, and he was never some kind of a god.
This is the same Pianeta that Chagaev KO in round 1. Kevin ***** Johnson at 39 knock him in 7.
And this is all before Fury fought him.
But hey again i know what is going to come, Fury wasn't in shape that time, and he wasn't using that style, and all that stuffs.
Easy counter, he ain't proven against anyone, that's why i bring the point with Whyte, AJ and Usyk, that will give us many answers. Ruiz fight would be good answer too, but i doubt Fury will fight all of this guys.

And btw at 8 i would rate Vitali Klitschko. And he 500% definitely hit harder.

 

Lol you doubt Fury will fight those guys yet he's travelled to 2 long reigning champions back yards and stripped them of their titles......

 

Wilder power - 10/10
AJ power - 8.5/10
Fury power - 7/10