Roldan vs. Tony Ayala Jr.

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  1. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Imagine if you will, there is no Hagler

    also let's suppose that Tony Ayala was a law abiding citizen who stored his passions and channeled them into pent up fury for the ring (much like Hagler)

    Newly crowned Juan Roldan who is coming off a brutal knockout of three time champ Wilfred Benitez while Tony Ayala is coming off a tko of rugged Davey Moore

    How does this play out?

    and who backs who up first?

    Does the more experienced Roldan grind Tony into a fine powder or will we seen another of tomorrow's Champions score an early knockout of Roldan?
     
  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I was asked to write a positive bio of him years ago and if only I had gone with the 'passions' thing, I think I could've done it but I didn't think of it until you just mentioned it. I could've been an author, man.
     
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  3. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you should put up an example of your work. I was an avid reader of boxing mags and there is no shortage of interest in the subject.
     
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  4. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Oh, gosh, I've posted so many mini-biographies on this site that I've shared with publishers over the years and it seems like no one has ever been impressed enough to give me a shot beyond the failed interest in the Ayala bio. I've got to be realistical about it though, man. I know there's interest...it's just that my work is not good enough. I even wrote about Batoro Kachapati's life and times, who I think is like the African version of Barney Ross, in a way, and I thought I did a great job, but if I'm being objective, it must not have been what men want to read about or I'm a subpar researcher or writer or both.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kachapati is a really obscure topic for a book for a publisher. Ayala, on the other hand, would have some interest as he was an intriguing and polarizing figure.

    I’d suggest looking into self-publishing something on the internet. It shows what you can do and then you can use that as a sample of your work if you pitch a book on someone who might have an interesting enough story, or was a popular enough figure, to get their interest.

    Don’t give up. Every great author has a stack of rejection slips long enough to, well, fill a book.
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

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  7. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Either way I am picking Roldan.


    Controlled Ayala would be too passive to work; the Ayala we knew would be out bullied by the Argentine Bull.
     
  8. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ayala was 19 when his career ended and went to Prison and when he returned at 37 he was still heavy handed and skilled but not the hungry animal he was their were alot of possibilities of how well his prime would have been. Ayala was a solid 154 with top notch skills and power but he never proved himself at the championship level where Roldan did prove himself as in the top 10 mix and he lost some big fights as well but without an Ayala prime I have to go with Roldan
     
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  9. Rafaman

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    Same here. Ayala took a while to warm up and had a natural rhythm for a lack of a better term was somewhat plodding. Roldan is more energetic , has better punching power and was a bull on the inside and will also be the bigger man. Uppercuts will be a good weapon for Juan. Roldan fought like a madman just pushes the pace and won’t be easily backed up. Ayala going backwards for large periods of the fight is not a good scenario for him.
     
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  10. Curtis Lowe

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    Agreed. Roldan would have mugged Tony. Ayala was one of those woulda, coulda, shoulda fighters. The first time someone stood up to him he lost, that to a faded, shop worn Yori Boy Campas.
     
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  11. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    maybe but I've never known Tony to be the passive type
     
  12. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    arent they roughly the same height and weight? and arent they more or less the same build and power?

    I dont believe Tony would freeze in the manner Czyz did in his first big outing. It would be a war but Roldan I believe, would win by tko
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    Roldan was a full blown middleweight, Ayala a JM. Roldan is the bigger man.
     
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  14. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mugabi was a jr middle and Hagler said he was as strong as a lightheavyweight
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    Not sure what that has to do with anything. Ayala certainly wasn't Mugabi.
     
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