Rocky Marciano vs. Roland LaStarza II

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  1. William Walker

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    Expectation: High. It's Rocky Marciano guys.

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    1-4. Rocky indeed was rusty, crowding LaStarza and still missing horribly. These first four rounds were proof that the aggressor is not always the more effective fighter. LaStarza landed scorching 1-2 combinations while Rocky's best successes were minor in comparison: he was only able to land one punch at a time when he would at times drive LaStarza into the ropes for a second or two. Rounds 3 & 4 possessed some stirring exchanges, which LaStarza surprisingly got the better of.
    5. Marciano hurt LaStarza with two long-range rights. However, LaStarza returned fire in strong fashion, landing some fine counter shots. By the way, get a load of the super-nimble Ruby Goldstein. I just loved watching him move.
    6. Marciano bobbed and weaved LaStarza's 1-2's quite well, as well as being more accurate than he had previously been (that's still only about a 20% landing rate for the Rock :lol:). But Rocky lost the round on the grounds of a foul.
    7-10. Rocky pressured more and more heavily and grew in accuracy while LaStarza waned in taking initiative and throwing often. LaStarza continued to offer counterpunching, and hard counterpunching at that for a round or so, but it was losing steam and was not enough to stop Rocky. LaStarza allowed himself to be pinned to the ropes a lot in these rounds, and allowed himself to be made a real punching bag in 8 & 9, taking monstrous left hooks in each. By 10, both were pretty tired, and the mauling started to set on.
    11. LaStarza actually landed some meaningful-looking shots in an early exchange, but it would have taken
    far more tremendous power to stop the Rock at this point. Shortly afterwards Rocky was in hot pursuit of LaStarza, missing a left hook before landing a crushing right. Another left and right sent him through the ropes. He made it through the ropes okay and beat the count and Ruby Goldstein waved him back in. Rocky was on top of him, but executed sloppily. He threw about ten punches, five of which had any zing to them. First a right overhand, then he alternated between the left hook and right uppercut, throwing two of each, and Goldstein stopped it.

    Scores:
    1. LaStarza
    2. Marciano
    3. LaStarza
    4. Even
    5. Marciano
    6. LaStarza
    7. Marciano
    8. Marciano
    9. Marciano
    10. Marciano

    Final score: 6-3-1 entering the 11th

    Does anybody find that the stoppage was premature? My father and I concurred that LaStarza looked like he went down more out of exhaustion than from actually being injured, and was not close to going down when Ruby stopped the fight, was not seriously cut, and easily could have completed the round (though I doubt he would have won the fight, or even completed it).

    Should it have been FOTY? I know it was done differently back then, but I might dispute it, but I will wait until I've finished 1953 to speak further on the matter.

    Assessment:
    Marciano-Rocky did have problems of ring rust for the first four rounds, and of course missed horribly as usual, but I do think this is a classic Rocky performance. He was being outboxed by a classy tactician for quite a few rounds and he turned the tables on him for a pretty good comeback and a semi-dramatic knockout. Probably the #5 Rocky victory.
    LaStarza-LaStarza looked good. He gave a great, disciplined performance for the first half. He is a pretty pleasing boxer to the eye (to me at least) because he is not only flash, but carries moderate power as well).

    Verdict: I know it was no thriller (I seem to be tackling a series of these recently, eh?), but I regard it as a classic nonetheless. I really enjoy watching these long fights between two great boxers, and just watching them unravel round by round, even if it's not terribly exciting. That said, the fight was not a dull one. See it guys.
     
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  2. William Walker

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  3. Tonto62

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    Ring rust? He had been out of the ring for 4 months!
     
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Oh this is going to be a 10 page thread at least.

    As for the fight, I really liked how Rocky would do a left hook off the jab, usually with a dip or parry. Even if he doesn't land it all the time, it is a well executed technique (especially for Rocky) and excellent for a pressure fighter to push a retreating opponent into a right hand or straight backwards onto the ropes
     
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  5. BCS8

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    LaStarza looked good against Marciano until Rocky's physicality wore him down. I quite like how roland looks, a modern seeming and organized boxer.
     
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    William, is this in its entirety?
     
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  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Great fight and a great example of setting a pace and dictating the momentum of a fight. . Rocky was a machine taking chips of Roland till there was nothing left.

    Id love to have seen the first one
     
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  9. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My bad for not checking
     
  10. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep bro.
     
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  11. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never liked Lastarza till I saw the Layne fight you posted. You really get a good sense of the kind of fighter he was from that fight. Marciano had a tendency to make people fight not like themselves . Due to his style and pacing.

    Haven’t scored the fight or seen it in a while. Maybe I’ll get to it later but from what I remember Marciano just wore him down till there was nothing left. Lastarza was a good fighter (underrated slightly due to his poor resume). But you have to laugh at all the people that think Marciano couldn’t have beat a good mover. His best wins were good movers and defensive fighters. Walcott, Charles, Moore, Lastarza, Matthews even Don C.
     
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  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    William, watched it today and loved it. Your score and mine were amazingly close. Just invert rounds 2 and 4 and we saw it exact. Rocky really showed here that he wasn't just trying to take a fighter out with one shot. He was an attrition fighter who wore his man down. And studying this further, I feel he has a very underrated left hook, which I never really gave him credit for. The stoppage might be a bit premature for its time, but Roland was really coming apart at the seams after a valiant try. I'll post my score on the scorecard thread. Thanks for bringing this up, dude.
     
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  13. Stiches Yarn

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    “He's (Rocky) definitely a better fighter than when I fought him before (the first fight)—5,000 percent better."
    LaStarza.
     
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  14. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wow, that is really close. I'm going to take look at your score now. You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
     
  15. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    It was interesting watching Marciano really load up looking for the big finish the last few rounds. He never could get LaStarza with that one truly big punch but he got him good a lot. I think that, for that era, it was a bit of a premature stoppage. LaStarza was still doing his best to fight back. In today's era it was much like last night's Butaev-James stoppage. James was taking a beating in the last couple of rounds but he was still competing. Personally, I think both fights were stopped a bit soon although I can't see James or LaStarza being able to turn their fights around.
     
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