Who of the following would you favor to beat Usyk?

1. Joe Louis. Yes.
   
2. Ezzard Charles. No.
   
3. Joe Walcott. No.
   
4. Rocky Marciano. Yes.
   
5. Floyd Patterson. No.
   
6. Sonny Liston. No.
   
7. Muhammed Ali. Yes.
   
8. Joe Frazier. Yes, because of styles.
   
9. George Foreman. No, because of styles.

 

Yeah, but all the fighters listed in the poll are all-time great fighters, unlike the guys you mentioned.

 

The first videos only shows how Briedis is getting hard countered to the head, nice try.
Not going to waste my time watching 4 more tho.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnY__vxCIuo&t=289s[/url]
This is what Frazier will looks next to Usyk, a small guy that will get beaten straight up.

Chisora is not a prove for anything you are trying to give, cause first that was not prime version of Usyk, neither the best possible, which we compare, and that was 20% of his, by his own word. He had a COVID, struggling with injuries, as he have an arm injury, as well as undergo surgery for that problem, and he had to stop 2 of his camps because of this stuffs. He was obviously struggling with problems.
This is his own words.
His promoter also said that this was the fight that made Joshua to accept to fight Usyk. He was at the fight, and that fight made Joshua mind to accept to fight Usyk and not drop the belt.
And again Chisora was in one of his best shape. He actually start looking after his body when he started working with Haye, and he was prepping for like a year for that fight and by his own word was in insane shape.
And Chisora has some success early on thanks to the fight being in UK and using illegal tactics, aka constantly holding with 1 arms and hitting with the others, and constantly hitting behind the back. Paid referee didn't do a s.... about it.

As far as Briedis his is nothing alike Frazier. Totally different fighter and style. And he spend most of the time actually being pressured by Usyk.
And you were saying how many times was Usyk on the ropes and guess what there wasnt even 1 time where Usyk was on the rope for more than 0.5 sec. This just prove that you don't know anything about Usyk. He is nothing like Ali style wise. He ain't staying on the rope wide open and taking shots. Usyk may find himself in the rope for a 0.5 sec, but it's because he is constantly moving and luring his opponents, and then counter. You just need to remove your eyes and you can clearly see it even in the Briedis fight.

Usyk was never down as a PRO. In almost 400 fights he took a knee exactly 2 times, and against 1 opponent, who tend to be the hardest p4p puncher, and Usyk goes straight up and not only won the both fights, he won the both rounds wide after he took the knee to the body punches.
Also you know what improvements mean ? Punch resistance to the body can be improved obviously.
And being down just 2 time in your career by body punches in almost 400 fights is actually an incredible achievement and actually speak for insane punch resistance.

As far as Holyfield, yeah he obviously was hyping George. Many people do that and talk how x or y guy is the real deal or hardest punches they ever face.
Dave Allen is a one tough ........... who have an absolutely iron chin, and Usyk almost floored him with single shot with headgear, spar gloves and so on.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjA4MPbLBRo[/url]
Allen himself said he was out for 30 minutes after that and don't remember what happen.

The reality is athlete gets better and bigger with time, it may not looks like that, but it's exactly like that. And yeah there is always a stale periods, but the old time great(most of them) would be to small and probably end up at CW.

And Frazier from Ali fight weighted at 205 pounds. And yeah he is smaller than Briedis who is 1.86 and have a reach of 1.90.
5cm for you may not be much, but at highest level can make a night and day difference.
Huck and Glowacki are also described as pressure fighter, yet they get schooled.

And sorry but Frazier is a flat footing guy who is going wide open with some ducking and weaving and if Frazier can move away from him and find him at bay, he will be a target practice for Usyk.
And don't make me laugh pls:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFgf08mhLug[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eICak7r0bi4[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joe+frazier+vs+george+foreman+2[/url]

As far as strength going, you know there is huge difference between strength and power? Because i talked about strength buddy, not power.
And you can always look at the other sport and do a comparison. Tennis, Football, Basketball, Running, Swimming and so on. With a nowadays athletes and such as 40-50 years ago. No comparison at all in terms of physicality.
You can also see at weightlifting. Can you compare Lasha to anyone else ? He is breaking his own record every time he step on stage.
You can see at bench pressing, deadlifting, squads, and all that strength related stuffs, and KGs are going higher and higher constantly.
You just need to use a simple logic in Boxing as well .... Not that hard.

And there is a thing opinion, as both of us can only have that. There is no magical sphere where we can use and see who is going to win. Such a comparison between nowadays fighters and fighters from 40-50 years ago are ridiculous.
Difference sport, different components, different drugs, nutrition, equipment, kgs and etc.

That was the last of me, so let's agree to disagree. Not going to waste more time on a topic i already have covered like 3 posts ago, so don't expect me to read or reply. You have your view and i have mine.
Frazier for me is no match for Usyk and wouldn't bring him much problem.

 

The truth is "none of the above" but most of this forum are away with the fairies. You can't even make a credible stylistic argument as none of these dinosaurs faced a southpaw HW (Louis flat out refused to) of any quality (though Ali still managed to struggle with Mildenberger) aside from Foreman, who struggled badly with a glass-chinned blown-up LHW in Moorer and got schooled by Young, Holyfield, Morrison and Schulz.

 

Frazier was 180cm and around 210lbs in weight... almost 50 lbs less than Chisora and probably 10lbs less than Briedis, both Briedis and Chisora are taller than Frazier, heavier and Briedis is a very skilled operator.

 

Impossible to say.

One thing I'll say for certain, I'd favor Usyk to win at least 4-5 rounds vs every heavyweight in history.

 

Walcott, Marciano,Ali, Foreman immediately popped out to me.

 

It's taking a lot longer than I thought it would for the hysteria over Usyk's win over Anthony Joshua to settle down and sanity to return but I was very wrong.
Just a reminder that it was a win over an opponent who had previously quit against a 5'11 270lbs fat boy and an opponent who also went life and death with a 41 year old Wladimir Klitshchko.

Just sayin'

 

Geez! a win over a china chinned body builder and now people think this guy would beat Joe Frazier. Can we go back a couple of years and read the threads where Joshua would beat Muhammed Ali ? It makes as much sense

 

What are you talking about two fights? Usyk's had nineteen fights as a pro.

 

You're acting like Fraziers height is going to change his pressure style. He's short but much better than anybody Usyk has ever faced at pressing mobile opponents on to the ropesa and Usyk does not have the power to keep him off. Height and weight isn't much of an argument because Frazier was 205 for the first Ali fight and he weighed a but more for the other two fights which is well within cruiserweight territory. Not sure how much Briedis weighs on fight night but i doubt it's significantly more than that. And Frazier has delt with bigger fighters than Usyk

It was Briedis and Chisora pressing forward that gave Usyk problems, regardless of the fact that Briedis and Chisora have a huge size difference. And Chisora has slow feet and a mediocre gas tank. Frazier has the gas tank to keep up with Usyk all night and better head movement. It would be highly competitive. I used to think Frazier would mow him down but Usyk has impressed me lately. I still think Frazier is a bad match up for him.

 

Gotta love ESB... More than half the people here barely rate AJ as anything special, hating him more than anything. But Usyk beating him, makes Usyk a H2H monster to some of the greatest HW's. All with Usyk's 'one good' HW win. Okey dokey....