it is hard to say because of the guys he has to fight which are not great, so he has to fight more of them to get to the same place others would get there with less. Pryor, who we talk about today with the anniversary of Pryor vs. Arguello, got a lot of credit for his 2 wins against Cervantes and Arguello, and the rematch. more than maybe he should, but everyone noticed how motivated Alexis was and how Pryor mixing the bottle or not had to take a lot to get the win.
P4P as it stands right now you have Hearns rated higher than Canelo? Its close, I must admit as Hearns faced Leonard, and Hagler when they were prime and in Hagler's case still close to it, but he did lose to both and lost by KO. Against B level opposition though Hearns has always been vulnerable which is why I'd rate Canelo better p4p than Hearns. Imo Canelo is allready at Hearns level and surpassed him, what fighter that Hearns beat do you think Canelo would not?
There is nothing he can do to crack top 20 all time. Optimistically he lost 10 rounds to Mayweather. He wasn't "too green" he was a 23 yr old in his 7th defense of the WBC title. 8th world title fight. He wasn't a boy. He lost 8 rounds to 35yr old GGG. Pushed back and bossed around all night, GGG was absolutely rolling forward with the pressure. It was a bad loss. These two losses are impossible to justify (for anyone claiming top 20 all time status that is) That being said - I'd like to see him beat Beterbiev, Bivol, Charlo and Benavidez. Pretty much in that order with Beterbiev certainly being first due to his age. It won't mean much if he's old, and his last fight proved he's not the same guy who beat The Nail. That's a hit list. These wins will mean something All that being said....GGG might still be his best and most dangerous opponent, but I don't want to see it a third time and a win over 40yr old GGG can't mean much when history views his career.
Barrera had morales number. I give you he lost to raheem even though raheem is a style i think morales has trouble with. My point is the 2nd morales fight was still a good win for pac. morales always excelled against brawlers and was bigger then pac. so its good for pac to overcome that.
LOL nice spin job, but that ain't based it reality. In reality, he drawed and beat GGG which is a monumental achievement. Even if he did lose to GGG, which he didn't, it wouldn't be viewed as a bad loss anyway since GGG is seen as a quality opponent. So your logic doesn't make any sense. The loss to Mayweather doesn't do anything but enhance his resume. In terms of his ATG status, it was better to fight Maywether and lose the way he did then not fight him. Your 10 rounds lost story isn't how it was scored, what matters is that it is in the record books as a close Majority Decision loss which is very justifiable since Mayweather completed his career undefeated. Pacquiao lost to Mayweather much wider than Canelo did yet I don't see anyone claiming that Pac's loss to Mayweather is impossible to justify or that it hurts his ATG status. Further, many fans on here have made it very clear that they don't count catchweight title fights as legitimate, so for ATG purposes, Canelo's loss to Mayweather only counts as a resume enhancement and the loss more justifiable since it was fought at a catchweight and he was at a disadvantage and of course due to how close it was on the cards. Canelo could retire now and he's in great shape in terms of being an ATG. He continues to make history and enhance his legacy.
I would like to see him beat those contenders as well. Any strong contenders around his weight will do
Mayweather could beat everyone at the same size "in the entire boxing history". Mayweather is at least top 5 in terms of h2h ability/pure skill wise imo. His resume isn't as good as his ability wise. This is why he is top 15-20 generally. You guys are too ruthless against Canelo. He fought Trout, Mayweather, Lara, Golovkin etc.. despite his team and De La Hoya's warnings.
Here we go... Canelo hate. The question is what CAN he do, not that he is. Stop the useless hate and answer the question or stay off it entirely.
Well said. Canelo has never lost a boxing match to anyone who's ever lost a boxing match in their career and he's beaten countless undefeated fighters. The only man who beat him finished his career undefeated at 50-0 and that was at a catchweight that was demanded to make Canelo weaker. Just the fact that Mayweather was so worried about losing to Canelo that he demanded a catchweight speaks volumes. It tells you how dangerous Canelo was to Mayweather and how worried Mayweather was about fighting him. Even at a young age of 23, the seasoned, battle tested P4P #1 at the time TBE himself demanded Canelo disadvantage himself in order to agree to fight him. And Canelo then even while drained proceeded to take him the distance in a highly competitive fight. The Mayweather fight even in a losing effort made Canelo a household name and he got Mayweather's endorsement of being the future of boxing. Lets be real, losing that fight to Mayweather was the best thing to ever happen to Canelo. Mayweather recognized greatness that night and the torch was passed to Canelo. Since then Canelo has never looked back, he's proven to be one of the GOAT at this point and anything he does from here on out is icing on the cake. Haters are gonna hate, you can't stop haters from being butthurt about Canelo. We have dedicated Canelo hating trolls in here, but it's fun to see them cry on a daily basis and it creates entertaining topics.
He fights at 168 ffs. He can fight Plantn over and over again, but 20 victories over Plant won't make you a top 20 ATG. When he fought Mayweather and GGG (2 best fighters he faced) he lost.
Nice try. He fell short against Mayweather in a competitive fight that showed his potential and that he could compete with the very best. When he fought GGG he drawed and then beat GGG, and did so in impression fashion. You can spin what happened all you want and pretend that GGG won, but that is your fantasy. In reality, he held his own vs Mayweather and went on to beat GGG. That's all that matters.
