Video: Is Canelo the GOAT at 168?

Calzaghe says no.

 

Plant

 

I wouldn't put Alvarez ahead of Kessler let alone Calzaghe

 

No, bad video.

 

Nice video Rummy, I kinda agree with the premise here too. Not sure too sure he could do much with a guy like Roy at 168 but then again Roy has been ko'd as well so who knows. But definitely the totality of his career already places his past some of these guys In an all time sense. Time will tell where the rest of his 168 run puts him. There's not much else he can do besides beat Benavides and then smash cans until he tires of it.....

 

P4P you can clearly make a good argument for Canelo over Calzaghe but at 168lbs Calzaghe takes him to school. Canelo at 168lbs reminds me of Tito at 160lbs, good fighter and will destroy average opposition at world level but when he runs into a serious threat he'll be found out in my opinion.

 

No. Hell no.

When Sam Langford fought Stanley Ketchel, they both weighed in at 165 pounds so Sam was a LEGITIMATE SMW boxer for much of his early career. Langford would obliterate Canelo, even in Vegas with Canelos hand picked referee, judges, gloves, ring size and round card girls.

 

Canelo would box Langford's ears off at his back foot. Canelo can act like an out-boxer against brawlers. Langford had huge body frame and was good brawler but was primitive.

 

More great stuff Rummy !

Canelo is not the GOAT at 168...............yet.

But he is knocking at the door.

I don't think we will ever see a 168 lb Canelo that we would pick to beat the best version of Roy at that weight.

But in terms of overall achievement as a super-middle-weight, if he continues to dominate the division for another while, the top spot is well within Canelo's range.

 

That's funny. Thanks.

 

These are facts. Sam Langford was like a huge tank. He had power and toughness but his boxing ability not even close to Canelo. He was primitive. Canelo would dance around at his back foot and outbox him.

 

Smith has moved up now and Saunders might be about to retire, but with those two plus Plant and Benavidez I think the division was fairly strong when Canelo set about to collect the rest of the titles about a year ago. Four quality fighters that presents differing styles. And if he beats Benavidez as well he will have done as good a job as any of cleaning out.

Probably not enough even then to have him as nr 1 for the division, though.

 

Smith was always very basic - and even though McGirt seems to have got improvements out of him @175 (being a weight bully for so long must have taken it's toll) - most of his rep is based on beating a one-armed Groves, who himself was shy of elite failing twice to beat Froch. Smith should have went to 175 long before he fought Ryder, where he lost IMO.

Saunders was a career 160lber, who never dedicated himself to the sport and blew hot and cold. His resume at 168 is **** poor. Isufi, Coceres and a shot Martin Murray? Please.

And Plant has some skills, but as I'd said all along had not enough pop or volume to either get Canelo's respect or disrupt his rythym.

It's arguably unfair to judge Canelo on a weak 168 - but why didn't he aim for undisputed @160 before cleaning out 168? I still have no answers to that that is not tin-foil hat stuff - except Canelo 'outgrew' 160, which is a joke given only 2 years before him and Oscar were selling the narrative that he needed time to "grow into 160" before facing GGG, and hence vacated. Hmm...

 

Calzaghe for being at the weight so long.
RJJ head to head. (he's actually the best fighter ever at 168 probably)
We can argue eras all we want, but Canelo as a favorite over Sam Langford?1?
Canelo is not done yet, tho, it could change.

 

Smith is a bit basic, but what he does he does well. Saunders is not big but a tricky southpaw. They're good fighters. As is Plant. Not great by any means, but good, Good wins all of them.