Usyk vs Lennox Lewis who takes it?

Olek avoids lewis

 

Yeah but that shouldn't be the base of an argument for "Usyk beats him" because Lewis has all the necessary weapons to deal with a moving southpaw, the powerful straight right, he knew how to drag a fighter into a dogfight. Joshua actually had success walking Usyk down and going to the body in the middle rounds. Usyk himself saying a few bodyshots had him on sh*t street. It wasn't a shutout. Joshua abandoned the tactic, either because he's stupid or lacked the gas tank to continue with that strategy. Probably both. He is far inferior to Lewis and I've said it before the fight

Lewis did this in spots against a mover in Zeljko Mavrovic and Tyrell Biggs, two fighters who tried to use lateral movement against Lewis. He got rough in the clinches. Walked them down, shut down some of that slickness by using his lead hand to steer their head into big uppercuts, wen5 to the body often. His jab was better than Joshua's, his gas tank was much for efficient over 12 rounds, he was far above him on the inside, etc.

That being said this is obviously one of Lewis's hardest fights. Out of all the top guys in this era, Fury, Usyk. Joshua, Wilder. Usyk has the best chance against Lewis and i think he takes 5 rounds off Lewis, i expect him to beat Joshua again and beat Fury by decision. Usyk might just be my current favorite heavyweight of this era.

 

Nope! Faulty logic is MERELY doing a one-sided analysis and then cherry picking, which is a fallacy. You should also have to ask: how many of those women ever beat someone with the height. the reach weight, physique and skills of Lewis.

Difference between comparing a women to Lewis vs Usyk to Lewis, is Usyk has fought guys who are of similar physical dimension and skills to Lewis. Whereas Lewis has literally NEVER fought a single southpaw, much less someone who is remotely as skilled as Usyk to boot.

I could literally reverse your own argument on you. The whole idea of Lewis being good vs southpaws is equally pure fantasy, not based on actual facts but pure conjecture and mental gymnastics to create an imaginary strength that isn't there.

After all, we give boxers credit for what they have actually done in the ring, not what you or I or anybody else assume they could if we're being rational.

Now Lewis may very well do well against southpaws, but none of us here hav eany idea either way. And to claim otherwise, is pure fantasy and dishonesty.

Also, fighting a southpaw is much more than having to deal with their rear hand. The angles, the right hook and etc. are also things Lewis has never had to face, certainly not close to what Usyk is able to employ.

 

Come on, you are overstretching on it there.
Again the guy below you give good example with fighters that was terrible, and Lewis still pick to fight them.

Until 2000, Sanders has just 1 loses, and 30+ victories in that time.

Wilder resume was worst when he become champion, damn his resume is still worst.
And again Lewis and Sanders started their career in the exact same year, it's not like they were separate or fighting in different time.

Anyway this discussion is getting useless.

The matter of the fact is Lewis avoided southpaws, have fought none, and was beaten badly by such in his amateur time.
Also he never face someone even close in terms of skill to Usyk level in terms of elusiveness and footwork.
So yeah he is unproven against southpaws.

Still this is all i claim, not that Usyk will beat him or so.

 

I get that it's jerk off Usyk season but Joshua would get washed by Lewis, everyone with a brain including me had been saying this before he lost to Ruiz and Usyk. Also Lewis HAS fought a southpaw so thats wrong. Joshua has low ring iq and abandoned the body work and the agressive tactics when he was having success in the middle rounds against Usyk. Lewis was much better on the inside, had a better jab, a bit better head movement, smarter, didn't get discouraged if he got tagged unlike Joshua, netter gas tank and Lewis was much better at dragging an opponent into a dogfight.

Joshua wouldn't beat Holyfield, let alone Lewis and Ray Mercer has a good chance against Joshua as well. This is the same guy that was getting comfortably outskilled by 40 year old Povetkin until Povetkin gassed and avoided exchanging with Ruiz in the rematch after getting battarded. He's a good fighter but you have to let that sink in. Lewis went in the Rahman rematch and wiped him out, and when this era is over Lewis will still have the better resume than Joshua. Lewis was 2 levels above the guy resume wise and skill wise

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As we can see here the southpaw stance did nothing and Lewis mowed him down without a second thought in the first round and gradually gave him a beating as the rounds went by before scoring a huge KO. Like against orthodox opponents Lewis used his lead hand steered the southpaw opponents head in place for an uppercut a few times in this video and went to the body CONSTANTLY. He never fought any southpaws of note but he never ducked any either.

His lack of fights against southpaws does bring questions, that i agree, but i don't think it's a smart argument to say that Usyk is the favorite.

 

Greg Gorrell was awful though. And the fact that Lewis needed 5 rounds to stop him brings more questions about him vs southpaws. I mean, Gorrel was KO'ed much quicker by opponents who couldn't hold Lewis' jockstrap (Wamba and Hanvaa KO'ed him in 1 round, McDounagh and Ellis in 2, Terry Davies in 3 etc)

Saying that, I'd still favor Lewis against Usyk until Usyk beats AJ in rematch and Tyson Fury in unification fight. If Usyk finds the way to avoid Fury's clinching/holding, then I will likely change my mind about this fight. Because as good as Lewis was in holding/clinching, Fury isn't any worse in it. In fact, I'd rank both of them in top 3 heavyweights of all time in this (ugly but effective) part of the game alongside with Wladimir Klitschko. But Fury and Lewis are even better in it because unlike Wlad they also have great inside uppercuts in addition to holding skills.

 

Usyk would be in this fight and could possibly get it on points by a couple of rounds. A 99 cent store man's version of the Eastern European moving style and Mad Max extra Zeljko gave LL issues. LL would have to work for that one but he had a superior jab, left hook, and uppercut to AJ.

 

Whilst I think Lewis would win, if there was a fighter template that Lewis hated to fight Usyk was pretty much it. A fast, smart southpaw with great movement, great chin and good power of his own. It would be a tough night's work for Lenny but I do think he wins over 12 rounds.

Can't see a knockout, given all the genuine bangers Usyk's already fought and came through relatively unscathed against.

 

Watch rounds 1 Lewis boxed his face in and curbstomed him as he should because the guy was a bum and had him ready to go on the ropes at the end. But watch round 2, that fight easily and reasonably could have been stopped, you can't tell me otherwise. Lewis was absolutely destroying in the corner with no answers coming back. After that he just paced himself and outclassed the journeyman easily. I didn't see him having problems with typical southpaw tools, just couldn't take him out early

Leaning/Clinching isn't how to beat Usyk imo. I think Usyk beats Fury, his movement will make Fury look clueless on the front foot. To beat Usyk you have to rough him up more than what Fury did to Wilder, as all he did was smother Wilder with his weight and punches. For Usyk you have to get on the inside, fire off lots of body shots and close range combinations, meaning is an option, and getting dirty like manipulating his head and pulling his head into uppercuts, like what Lewis does all the time. Fury is only superior to Lewis at leaning on his opponents. Lewis was better at the rest. But if Usyk were to beat Fury in dominant fashion i will rethink this. I already think Usyk takes 4 or 5 rounds off Lewis

 

LOL, Usyk dis Usyk dat.................

The bums he beat at Cruiser dont count..............end off

Heavyweight resume is a never was Palooka, a shop worn club fighter who went the distance and a over hyped beyond over hyped glass chinned with the boxing IQ of a house mouse Bodybuilder who went the distance again..................the same "undefeated" Bodybuilder who a morbid obese average power Taco stand owner gave a career beating and made him spit his mouth piece out and quit.....

I am no Lemmie fan but Lemmie aint no Bodybuilder lap dog....................Usyk will loose similar or worse than Holyfield who achieved ten times more at Heavy then Usyk who cannot crack a egg at Heavy................btw the Holyfield "Draw" was complete BS

 

Obviously Lewis lost twice to far inferior fighters, and Usyk is very good, so to argue Usyk COULD beat him is very rational and undeniable.

But when we talk of "who would win", what we really mean is "who wins the majority of the time". And I don't think there is a good argument here to choose Usyk.

Lewis is big strong, tough, hits hard, has a great jab, etc. Much better than AJ. Usyk is amazing, but favoring him over Lewis is a huge reach IMO

So yes, Usyk "could" win, but Lewis is the pick here.

I think we do a lot of searching for reasons to validate what we hope or want to be true.

 

Oleksandr Usyk > Lennox Lewis

Lewis was marginally outboxed by the poor man’s AJ Frank Bruno before Bruno’s chin and gas tank predictably gave out in 7, was outboxed by pre-prime contender Vitali 4-2 over 6 before the fight was stopped on cuts and despite turning pro at 23.75, Lewis couldn't beat 10 of his opponents inside the distance (Ocasio, Billups, washed Tucker, McCall 1, Mercer, Mavrovic, old Holyfield 1, old Holyfield 2, Tua, Rahman 1) with approximately half of his 44 opponents being bums, 8 of the 34 he beat inside the distance being 215 lbs or less and he never stopped an opponent after the 8th round. Usyk has an excellent chin, speed, agility, engine, ring IQ and holistic defence, so he very likely joins the ranks of the survivors.

Manny Steward stated that Wlad was a superior athlete to Lewis, had more punching power and was better in most technical respects: the same Wlad who Usyk was able to “boss” and “twist up” in sparring. Lewis would try to bring the fight to Usyk after being outboxed but he wasn't a better inside fighter than Mercer who he really drew with; a warhorse fringe contender roughly on par with Usyk-victim Chisora. Lewis would be led onto counters and fatigue trying to chase the much faster, more agile and defensively skilled Usyk around the ring. Lewis lost 3-4 rounds by consensus to a 37 year old small cruiser Holyfield who had been KO’d by a faded Bowe 4 years prior and was on the cusp of losing to John Ruiz.

To top it all off, Lewis never fought a southpaw of any note in his career and never fought a mover above Euro level, while undefeated road warrior modern athlete Usyk dominated prime elite SHW A-side champion AJ in AJ’s backyard. Usyk is the best of the best as a southpaw and a mover, so Lewis probably struggles even more than Wlad did, who had far more experience sparring, fighting and beating good southpaw HW's than any other HW in history.

Usyk wins on points or by late stoppage (if Lewis didn’t duck).

 

Easy night for Lenox Lewis!

Usyk would never be the same man again after Lewis demonstrates the levels that exist between them in brutal fashion.

If he ever fought again after being battered by Lennox is would be back down in the relative safety of the Cruiserweight diviision

 

NEETZSCHEAN back at it again with the ridiculous narrative. I stopped reading after you claimed Ray Mercer was equal to shopworn Chisora, but i had to read some other delusional BS before i even got to that part