The hardest men to beat have not been beat. Fury and Usyk are hard men to beat if they weren't they'd have been beaten already. Joshua got sparked out by Ruiz Jr and his flaws have been quite apparent for some time now.
Fury & Usyk look unbeatable when on form. Both have looked beatable at various fight in their career. Both would be each others hardest fights, neither can just go into that bout and not adapt. It's a round by round fight that can turn on a dime. The major weakness of Usyk being naturally smaller actually works out to an advantage against lots of these modern heavyweights.
Matchroom are very good at stacking the deck in Joshua's favour. Home advantage, rematch clause, refs, judges etc. It's why Usyk should stay tf away from London for the rematch. A small improvement from Joshua could see him nicking it on points, or the dreaded British stoppage. Stick him on a plane to Kiev and make him win the belts back on your terms, not theirs.
With which point exactly you don't agree ? As far as my post as a whole i think it's quite obvious. Let me summarized. Joshua is obviously the hardest man to beat, cause you obviously have to beat him twice, but you got to do it so obviously that they can't rob you, cause obviously you are dealing with a pre-filled cards. On top of that they carefully pick the venue and everything to be in their favor. As well as the this, the obvious one, that Joshua is an elite boxer, who is very complex and posses great set of tools/skills. As for the 2 Fury/Wilder fans. Just make yourself a thread and spam the same Fury/Wilder b.c. again. This is especially for you miniq. I know you are a very decent poster, except when you are talking for Fury, which is pretty much 90% of the time. As far as Wilder i have always state and anyone can check my history, that this guy is a protected bum, and the first time he step up will be his doom. The guy is terrible, and there is no comparison between him and Joshua. Joshua actually set up his punches, and hide his attack, unlike that Pepegas Wilder, who is obvious from the sky what he is going to do. He is throwing the right hand the same ***** way every single time, and it's so telegraphic it's unreal. It's working cause he is fighting truck drivers, Burger King employees and waiters. And i see the most people that commented on here didn't even read the initial post. This ain't praising Joshua thread. It's more of a trashing, cause i'm so pissed with Hearn rematch clauses, that should be forbidden.
Joshua is mentally weak because he has been coddled too much. He never developed the hunger and desire of the great ones. The contrast between him and Usyk is immense.
Re-read it, with you now mate. You meant 'beat' him twice in regards to having to 'fight' him twice. Due to rematch clauses. I took your intial meaning the wrong way. As for my main disagreements. I don't think he beats Wilder or Fury. I'm thinking we may see a more aggressive AJ in the Usyk re-match though. I have Usyk winning that one too, but a shorter more exciting fight with drama on both sides.
He has terrible stamina and loses heart quickly in fights when facing adversity. Sounds pretty beatable to me.
I also want Usyk to win, and i hope he does. But what kinda scares me is that AJ do a little bit better, and the corrupt judges will give him the nod, even tho in reality he would have lost the fight. And Hearn will be on every media, every day of the week, explaining how better AJ have been, and how that the fight was close, not a robbery and all kind of that b.c. As far as beating him twice, yeah it's exactly what i mean. It's pathetic boxing to have one sided rematch clause, just in case the "wrong" guy win. It's either a double sided, or not have it all. And rematch clauses should not exist in mandatories. As far as your thinking of Wilder/Fury i don't want to argue, as the thread is not about this, and everyone have their view. ForemanJab, if his stamina was so bad as people are making it up, obviously its not, he would be gone by 8-10 round with Usyk, who put a high pace in his matches. As far as the heart i disagree and we see that in Whyte and Klitschko fights for example. With Usyk he gave everything he had, he was just beaten by the better man. Also heart can be said by a lot of things. You definitely need tons of it, to lose the title the way he does, and then comeback stronger for the rematch it, and win it with 12-0. Also you don't become 2 time HW Champion without heart. Also you are not one of the hardest working guy in the business currently, having no heart.
I don't think the AJ/Usyk re-match will go the distance this time round. I reckon AJ will finally 'try' and revert to kind and bring a bit of the 'dog' to the re-match. Use his natural attributes of height, size & strength. He really didn't utilise them much in the first fight. To the extent that AJ may as well of been Usyk's size. AJ pretty much fought Usyk's type of fight the first time. And I give him credit in that he boxed pretty well overall considering he was boxing the ultimate professional text book boxer. Also, AJ's gas tank held up pretty good for the most part, better than I thought it would, started to fade in the 11th but it was a decently fast paced work rate scrap for both men. Even though AJ didn't try and load up enough overall. As I've mentioned in other threads I think AJ's only real chance here is to roll the dice and try and jump on Usyk. AJ's got little chance with trying to box him again, I simply can't see AJ having any more success boxing wise than the first scrap. In a nutshell then, I think AJ may simply go for it more from the off, he may well have some success but he will probably gas and lose via corner stoppage or a TKO. It could be a short but but exciting drama filled fight.
I mean, Usyk did manage to get the nod on the judges scorecards last time, with everything stacked in Joshua's favour. If Joshua comes in at 248lb in the hopes of steamrolling Usyk in the first four rounds of the rematch and falls short in that objective, Usyk won't be needing any judges at all.
I think Usyk gets him out of there in 6-7 in the rematch. Usyk’s respect for Joshua’s power is the only reason AJ went 12. He won’t show any respect this time.
Joshua is looking easier to beat as time passes. I felt that Usyk would beat Joshua but was not convinced of him getting the decision. I think in the rematch Usyk can adapt further and with Joshua taking more risks will beat him within the 12 rounds. The main problem for Joshua is a mental one which I believe arose in the Vlad fight and was then heavily compounded in the Ruiz fight his body language does not show someone with self belief. This is because Joshua is still training and hanging around with people from his olympic days and they have become yes men. When Joshua needs critique and no one around him can do that so he is going to struggle as there is no new imput to make him think differently. Joshua does have some skill and has good physical attributes but with his mental game comprised it is going to be an uphill battle.
Both have judges and other things in their favour but Canelo is so much harder to beat because he has a granite chin so is extremely hard to stop and fights with confidence. Unlike AJ.
I think people are falling to what Hearn is saying as a excuse, as to Joshua was there to outbox Usyk, and al that nonsenses. His tactics to me was quite clear, in terms of what they believe. They see Usyk last couple of fights, and they conclude what i conclude as well, that he is past his prime for god damn sure. Usyk promoter say that Joshua decide to take Usyk fight, only after the Chisora fight in which Joshua was there and watching it live, and then he decide to face Usyk. That fight misjudged their perspective of Usyk. Oh he is 34, he won't be able to throw 1000 punches, as he was doing before, he struggle with injury, it's inactive, he had a hand injury, he struggle since he move to HW that late in his career, and etc. So taken all of this factors, Usyk age and so on, this was their strategy. To try to boxing from the outside and to rely on counters, to land something big and to finish Usyk after. It's Joshua usual tactic, trading, land something big and finish the fight. It was the same strategy with Povetkin and then Pulev. And as the fight goes on, Usyk will slow down and he will eventually catch him with something big, and if didn't happen, he will win on the british scorecards, that was filled pre-contest. That 115-113 it's an absolutely disgrace. As i said if he was shown in just 1 from the round from 9-12, he would have got a draw or a close win on the scorecards. Going all in, aka Joshua the destroyed style was and it's still a huge risk and a huge X. Everyone knows that Usyk has a top class chin and great durability, also will make Joshua wide open, and Usyk is one of the best counter puncher with his ridiculous speed and movement, and on top of that, going all IN will empty his gas tank pretty fast.
