What Was SRL Capable Of At Middle?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I think Mr Duck got out of the wrong side of the bed today!
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hagler was more skilled than Leonard and was one of the greatest middles of all-time Leonard was not, all Ray had over Hagler was footspeed and I don`t think Ray won anyway.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Leonard would have handled those opponents? Would he have knocked Hearns out in three rounds or gets his ears boxed off before landing some lucky shots, or would he win a dubious decision? Hagler stopped all of his world title challengers except ay andf Duran, I supposse Ray would have done that too, Ray was not a natural middle and that`s that.
     
  4. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How about a straight answer for starters?

    The question was why should we stop Leonard's career with Lalonde?

    I think it's because you would rather not have the public think of his losses which, he was actually at no disadvantage at all

    and in this way, we could all see him in the same light as you would like to imagine.

    This statement of yours;

    "The reason you don't see guys as bad as Scypion, Mugabi, Sibson, Mustafa, Antoufermo, Lee, and Roldan on main cards to day is because Boxers today are trained professionals."


    There is no logic behand it and amounts to nothing more than an appeal to ignorance


    If what you say is true about each of them, it would only mean that none of them fought their way up the ranks but we can see from the records exactly how they moved up year by year

    so it is either your word, and the rankings don't count, or you're completely mistaken which you are
     
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  5. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "Leonard didnt get banged up like that!"

    He only got his eye shut closed.

    He only got dropped twice

    Hagler didnt get banged up like that!

    and benitez, he only dropped a lopsided decision while Hagler took Tommy out in three

    You dont know the difference between a win and a loss yet?

    thank you, sir, for your acknowledgement. I apologize for my mistake and will better educate myself.
     
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  6. Abysswalker

    Abysswalker Member Full Member

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    According to the most Hagler won that match. And when it comes to the Hearns 2, Leonard himself admitted that Hearns should have gotten the decision. What a ****ing idiot you are.
     
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  7. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He says a lot of dumb things. and goes overboard emotionally

    He is very short sighted. He said Hagler was a lucky champion and then smeared all of Hagler's opposition including Vito, saying they weren't trained and that none of them deserved their ranking.

    When I brought up that Hearns was one of his challengers, he didnt have an escape mechanism so he tried to convince me that it was Tommy that won and that both Leonard and Benitez fared better while forgetting Benitez lost a decision while Leonard was behind after 14 and struggled to a draw against a torn and tattered Hearns.

    He says we should not look at Leonard's career past Lalonde because the losses are an embarrassment and make him look bad
     
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  8. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Our Quackers done been actin' crackers, & thus has gone & gotten himself banned again.

    He freaked out previously when I merely teased him about his username with no bad intent "quackology". & since he was so sensitive, I explained my intentions & apologized.
    But now he has been calling people names like stupid, implying they should have been aborted, mocking & insulting folks who like me-were not even mean to him.

    If he ever reads this I hope he realizes that his extreme aggression seems o to bespeak insecurity & brittleness.
    It will endlessly confine him to being at best isolated & felt sorry for: unless he takes a page from his own suggestion & mans up & grows in equanimity, maturity & kindness.

    In the case of his response to me, he gets really triggered just because I said Hagler "had lost a fair amount of speed & agility".
    There is no reason to throw histrionics about this-which almost everyone agrees with anyway.
    And I did *not* say what he attributed to me, that Hagler was "washed up". smh.

    But elsewhere he acknowledged He aged quickly & early...
    And someone else pointed out that Leonard's peak & speed were over by 1987.
    So no, just being 32 (almost 33) does not mean you are still prime-which as most all can see, Hagler was not. But still excellent sure.

    In fact in 1987 SRR was only 30-& turned 31 later than the fight with Hagler.
    Even though he was not a swarmer & had much less professional fights than Hagler-he was past his prime before Hagler.
    Others like Dempsey & Tyson & Frazier & Holyfield were best in their 20's-for a combination of physical behavioral & psychological reasons.

    The only other thing I said was many felt Hagler deserved the decision when they fought.
    I will leave it to others if they want to contest his far-fetched claims about the quality of Hagler's opposition.
    He wondered how people "get away" with saying such "crazy stuff" as my very moderate comments.

    But Quack the Duck saying that Hagler only had "very good" boxing skills, SRL great...
    This really seems to betray a bias. I guess without being a big MW, at 62-3-2 with zero gift decisions & two obvious (title) fights hotly disputed by many, KOing all but one of his opponents while successfully defending his title for 7 years....Also 55-1 as an amateur...

    Was somehow not near or possibly the greatest MW ever. Who knew.
     
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  9. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly what he did .. nothing more and nothing less .. He was going in and out of retirement to cherry pick fights and this one paid off for him .. Some worked out for him and some didnt ,,, At MW ... there was a reason he waited to fight Marvin after Hagler had faced Hearns and Mugabi .... the timing was perfect for him
     
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  10. Kell Macabe

    Kell Macabe I don’t know s*** about boxing Full Member

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    SRL can give any one a close fight
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Not at 160.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Leonard was struggling a lot with Geraldo`s reach, he got caught a lot more in that fight than he did v Lalonde.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hagler landed far more in those three rounds than Ray and Benitez did in their frst three rounds v Hearns because neither man hardly threw a punch up to that point, I feel Benitez started his fight v Hearns far better than Ray did also, Ray was not on his way to losing a close split decision to Tommy, he was being clearly out-boxed.
     
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  14. Abysswalker

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    Agree on all points. Also, Hearns learnt just before the second match that his brother shot his fiancee or something. Then he just went to beat Sugar's ass.
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    SRL was a bit small for middle weight. Aside from Marvin, who was having his last fight, Leonards best opponents at middleweight were guys coming up from lower divisions.
     
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