Wilder considering retirement!

I'd love for that to be the case, but I honestly believe those two knock out losses have permenantly changed Wilder for the worse. I also don't think Fury will be the same either. I think Fury will fare better than Wilder going forward.

 

People who have already fought are rarely like this?
While the man you are defending says he wants to kill people in the ring.
Again defending wilder jsut makes people look idiotic like the man himself

 

We need to encourage the man to fight on, and take the hardest fights available to him for as long as he possibly can!

#TeamWilder

 

Yes he has no legacy other than being a punch bag for fury.
He needs to fight some guys with real power who are dangerous and learn some humility

 

Duck squad!

Come on we all knew Wilder wasn't suddenly going to fight the likes Usyk, AJ, Whyte, Parker, Hunter, Ruiz, Joyce, Sanchez, Gassiev, Hrgovic, Chisora, etc.

Best we could of hoped for would have been one or two out Helenius, Ajagba, Kownacki and the winner of Martin vs Ortiz before he retired.

 

Firstly I am not defending Wilder, & like Fury with some of his homophobic comments he has showed some ugly beliefs.
Although he does exhibit kindness & decency in some contexts like Fury, they are not fully developed or integrated in some ways.

Calling me an idiot because I critique your extreme malicious public wishes is wrong.
And should I call you an idiot because you could not distinguish that saying these attacks are wrong does *not* logically mean I am defending him?

No, because that would be hateful. Or being "triggered" because of your barely veiled personal attack.
Yep Wilder's comment was wrong-& widely panned, & very unusual.

But at least we can chalk that up to immaturity, hyperbole-& unlike you, not reveling in the prospect of a particular person being damaged for life beyond repair.

Now everyone who condemned your evil sentiment is not wrong.
Why don't you act like the opposite of most ego-bound, dug in haters, admit you were wrong, & salvage you reputation?

 

Wilder has never showed decency.
He beats up the mentally handicapped and women.
He fires and slander trainers that saved his life.
He has said a lot of racist things and is pally pally with crazy racial supremacists on youtube.
He has said over a dozen times he wants to kill someone in the ring.
Again im not the only person on this forum who think wilder deserves to fight on and get the dog**** beaten out of him a few more times, I'd say im probably in the majority given the hate he receives on here.
No need to defend wilder. Its not a good look

 

It will be the best thing he's done for boxing.

 

Again, I did not defend Wilder. I critiqued your unusual hatred of wishing him permanent brain damage.
You are the most extreme one in wishing he becomes disabled.
That is why many people critiqued these ugly sentiments.
AND you have no defense when we tell you this is more like the Wilder you decry.

It does not make sense that even if all you say is unbiased & true (much of it is), that he has "never shown decency". But never mind that, regardless you are projecting much disowned animus if you are looking to justify your toxic hatred based upon his misconduct.

If everything you say is true, it does not change that you are way wrong to talk like that.
It is a doomed to failure attempt at distraction & minimization to make it about defending Wilder (which you were told/should easily see is FALSE)---> Instead of acknowledging what is the only "bad look"-but much worse than that, actually wishing someone is beaten into lifelong incapacitation.

 

Id add also not showing sportsmanship after losing to fury.
When has he shown decency? Seriously?

 

You again ignored almost everything I said to avoid dealing with the Dark Side that has many angry that you wish Wilder to be literally beat senseless-for life.
And failed to take responsibility once more for mistakenly saying I was defending Wilder-when at the time of critiquing your Hate Speech, I literally said nothing exculpating him-& agreed that something like wishing to beat someone to death was wrong.

Alright you likely will never deal with those issues.
But at least due to social pressure you likely will not publicly relish the prospect of beatings into a Permanent Vacation again.
That is better than nothing; some say racists will never change, but many at least do not dare wish similar sentiments on a group they hate, or throw around say the N word...This is an analogy about the virtue of deterring the social acceptance of variations of hate, not accusing you of any prejudice mind you...

But to answer your question (& avoid the avoidance I lament)...Others have spoken about Wilder acting & seeming decent on some forums.
Yes he was immature after his last loss to Fury. Who was particularly GRACIOUS to Wilder after the P.R. written placating statement by Wilder.
But you saw him described as fighting to be able to take care of his disabled daughter, who he seems to love.

None of which excuses his abuses, but I do not believe you can be "fair & balanced" about him.
But to take one more example, I happened to catch some video a long while ago about his conflict with that Charlie Z. guy.
From what I could glean, it was immature for Wilder to take the bait & go after him.

But mentally ill or not, the guy made hateful statements about his beloved daughter.
I saw Wilder swing at the guy in a gym fight, then spare him & allow him to escape.
No a top HW boxer should not stoop to do this.
But he did not say attack him by surprise via a drop kick when running over a car like Holmes vs. Berbick.
If anyone is so vicious is being as hurtful & personal as possible, & the victim gets him to agree to a regulated fight, yet stops short of knocking him out...

Surely you can see that a neutral analyses of this does not make this a crime against humanity.
Just not the best way to handle a cruel public provocation.

If you can see how it is good that Charlie Z. did not suffer brain damage from that absurd fight...
And that many might be provoked by such hate, & Wilder showed some real restraint...

Surely you can see that conflating this with say a domestic assault is wrong-in both senses.
Assuming you do not think that Holmes rampage does not make him The Devil.
An all this is dependent upon whether I may call you Shirley. ;-)

 

Wall of text man, your argument is basically you should never wimant bad thing's to happen to anyone no matter how terrible that person is.
You should have been here when gvodsyk put Stevenson into a coma. Big celebrations around these parts.
I don't have to engage with your argument because it is asinine and lacking in any logic what do ever.

You are also defending wilder for beating up a mentally ill man that isn't even half his size because he said something to him.
If you have ever worked with the mentwlly disabled they can say mean stuff to people all the time because guess what ,mentally they aren't right and don't understand what there doing. If you think its acceptable for a heavyweight boxer to smack around a mentally handicapped person and actually praise him for showing restraint than you are off your rocker.
If everyone has that attitude every disabled child and person in the country would be coming home with black eyes everyday from people hitting them.

I get it your a wider lover but know you cant come out and say it openly now because you will look like a jackass. But given the argument you have made here its obvious. Jesus Christ praising a heavyweight for showing restraint when beating up a mentally handicapped man half his size.
You are insane

'Others have spoken about wilder on this forum seeming decent' yet.you can provide an actual example..lmfao
Please continue this is hilarious

 

Your grammar & spelling is garbled, but from what I can glean here are four (4) things:

1) You again ignored most of what I said. It was several paragraphs. If a man is non-abusive & goes to the trouble to address many points-even granting you the flaws he never denied, & finished with a good-natured joke...
-it ain't nice to ignore everything & disparage it due to a length that should be no problem unless you have A.D.D.

2) It was broken up into paragraphs. Some short, none of them particularly long. Thus it meets no reasonable definition of a "wall of text".

3) You have presented no actual reasons why *anything* I said was asinine or lacked any logic-whatsoever (the word you were looking for).
That puzzling claim indulges the [url]Logical Fallacy[/url] of asserting a premise absent any supporting argument.

4) I have been a member for about a decade, & reading threas since sometime before that.
I did not notice that coma-related [url]schadenfreude[/url] evilness [sic)(k], very.
But people being so bad then does not make your wishing Wilder be mae a vegetable any better.

Just like if I threw around the N word (as an insult), I could not minimize things by noting how others say wished blacks were lynched.

Hopefully you are big & secure enough to act with reciprocal respect-especially when you were the offending, not legitimately aggrieved party-instead of trying to make it a personal matter & continuing to be senselessly belittling in the few things you even address.

 

Again provide proof that wilder is not human scum.
Otherwise your argument is ,you should never wish bad things on people, just because.

The vast majority of the forum were happy with the beating gvodsyk gave adonis.

Huh? Making stuff up now.
Get off your high horse you wilder fanboy.
You aren't worth replying too ,you are defending scum
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Dude you have regressed to being not only irrational, but malicious-again.

1) I am not a fan of Wilder at all. I was critical about many of his actions.

2) You showed nothing at all I "made up".

3) I meant to add that the forum was much more full of trolls before-it has improved greatly DUE to bannings & social pressure not to tolerate abuse & cruelty.
So while I am skeptical that the vast majority were happy with a coma-inducing beating, again that level of hate & Cruelty does not make yours any better.

4) I did give you nuanced evidence of some virtues of Wilder.
But unless he is say Hitler & he needs to be beaten until brain damaged to avoid say invading nations & bbuilding concentration camps...
Relishing a man permanently broken by a beating is just plain WRONG.