Where do you rate Liston if Patterson never gave him a shot?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I invite the forum to consider what happens if Floyd and Ingo manage to keep swapping victories until about Floyd/Ingo V or VI, when Floyd comes out on top. (After he and Ingo spent the better part of a few years bouncing each other off the canvas like basketballs.)

    Following his final victory over Ingo, Patterson gives a shot to a young Cassius Clay. It's a gamble; most people don't think Clay is ready yet. It wouldn't be too out of character for Floyd's management, considering the Rademacher fight.

    Anyway, the gamble fails. Clay wins, changes his name to Ali, and then beats Floyd in the obligatory rematch. By now, Ali has matured enough that he beats an aging Liston. Liston never holds the title.

    Where do you rate Liston?
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    My own guess is that Liston gets the Harry Wills treatment. He never got the chance to destroy Patterson, so he's just an "Oh, yeah...that guy" on the canon list. Sure, sure, he beat good early 60s contenders. But so did Ingo, sort of, and anyway, Ali wiped Liston out.

    Maybe Liston would even be viewed as a throwback to the bad old days of the 50s when the Mob controlled everything. A relic of an earlier era who outlived his time. And can we really assume the guy's career was 100% on the level...? Etc.
     
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  3. ivancho

    ivancho Member Full Member

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    Another david tua
     
  4. Jester

    Jester Active Member Full Member

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    It'd hurt his ranking for sure. The Patterson victories are what a big part of his legacy hangs on. I currently have him in my top ten heavies, and I don't think I could see a spot from him there without them. He probably would get built up as a killer who never got the chance, but on the flip side I think there's also the possibility that some people would argue Ali proved he was vulnerable to fast fighters, and that Patterson would beat him.
     
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