No one said he is KOing, he is Bigger & Stronger, so JC isn't getting the same chances to 'output' and slap up the points. I think it is a distance fight, with Tarver taking it... who said anything about a KO?
I dunno Tarver didn't look that strong against Hopkins who Joe still managed to slap silly. The KO was reffering to the fact without output from Tarver he's also not knocking Joe out. Ergo points victory for Joe.
The interesting thing about Tarver’s fight with Hopkins, is what Mackie Shilstone said before they fought. Bernard hired Mackie to help him move up to LHW, and Mackie had previously helped Spinks to move up for Holmes, and Roy when Roy moved up for Ruiz. I’m sure that you know who he is. But he was interviewed before the fight, and he said something that I’ll always remember. He said that they were expecting Tarver to be flat after the weight loss from his role in the Rocky movie. Then after the fight, Tarver said he was absolutely devoid of energy. He said he felt great in training, but he had nothing in the fight. And I’ll never know if that was true. Maybe Mackie gave him a ready made excuse? Maybe it was sour grapes? Maybe he was fine, and Hopkins was just on another level? I don’t know. But Tarver swears he wasn’t himself. But it wasn’t his own trainer that said it, it was his opponents. And when you look at what happened to Roy, Byrd and Dawson, Tarver could possibly have be drained after losing muscle. I don’t know. It’s something that I’ve always wondered. The issue that Tarver had, was that after he’d famously mocked Roy before their second fight, saying: “You got any excuses tonight Roy?” it obviously meant that he then couldn’t publicly say anything about struggling with the weight himself, as he’d have been completely ridiculed. In the end, I think he ended up saying that he may have been poisoned or something.
He was 37 years old and coming off a one year layoff. His best wins after that fight were Clinton Woods and Danny Green. This one isn't that complicated.
Yeah I remember that he said he thought he was poisoned or spiked with something. It's odd for sure I mean Roy was never the same after coming down. Not sure if it was something dodgy he took to take weight of quickly but he was never the same and his punch resistance was gone as well. The thing is at that time PED use was common in boxing with testing still being primitive and Roy lost that weight in a couple of months and he was always pretty shredded. Dawson as well fell off a cliff became chinny overnight it's very odd for it to happen to several fighters. I might do a little research into it as it's peaked my interest.
So...again. Jones says 25 lbs of muscle....because he wants people to believe he's superman. You say...Jones is lying that it was only 10 lbs of muscle. I say...Jones is lying it was 10 lbs that was mostly water bloat. 10 lbs in 2 months is nothing. You can drop 10 water lbs in a few days by going 0 carb. You come off like you are shocked and at complete odds at my post....but we agree on the poundage lost. I say...no way he cut 10 lbs of muscle. You can't just lose muscle.. lol that don't work like that.. There's also the story Jones was wearing his shoes or **** and the scale was 192 for Ruiz...so he wasn't even coming down that high to begin with.
Yes, he was past his best, even though he turned pro late. But he had to take off the mass that he’d gained from the movie before fighting Hopkins. He did look visibly different against Hopkins. I favoured Hopkins, but not that emphatically. He swears that he had no energy for the fight. Like I said, it may be nonsense. But when a respected sports scientist who’s the opposite trainer questions it, then I have to wonder.
Tarver has physical advantages. Calzaghe is much busier. If Tarver moves and boxes he can win a decision
I spoke to ‘Iceman’ John Scully years ago online. He told me that Chad Dawson had a nightmare losing muscle to drop back to SMW to face Andre Ward. The Chris Byrd scenario is interesting to. Because at first, he actually criticised Roy a little, after Roy had said how it had made him feel. Byrd brushed it off and basically said “Well all fighters have to lose weight their whole career” Then he had to burn muscle to drop back to LHW to fight Shaun George. And he said afterwards that he lost the muscle too fast, and in the fight, he had absolutely nothing to give. He said that he was completely devoid of energy. I can’t remember if he apologised for what he’d said about Roy, but he revised his earlier statement. I’ve also read a few of Mackie’s interviews from throughout the years too. Apparently, he told Roy to take at least a year out of boxing, and not to return to the LHW division after fighting at HW. He said that burning muscle quickly at an advanced age is very dangerous. He said that it can affect the body’s immune system.
No disrespect but "bodybuilding" is not boxing. Your literally doing it for an aesthetic your not jumping in a ring and doing 12 x 3 minute rounds. The comparison is utterly meaningless and facile to say the least. You can cut weight that's great. but then try and physicallly perform at the highest level under extreme duress.
Bah Lance, He officially weighed-in at 193 pounds before a fight broke out between Ruiz’ manager, Norman Stone, and Roy’s trainer, Alton Merkerson. Afterwards, Mackie Shilstone argued that the scales hadn’t calibrated properly. Marc Ratner of the NSAC then apologised to Mackie, and Roy was re-weighed. The second weigh-in registered at 199 pounds with clothes. Afterwards, Mackie and Ratner shook hands and shared a joke. It’s documented on the documentary titled ‘The Sweet Science’ which covered the build up to the fight. Thomas Hauser also reported on it, saying that minus his clothing, Roy weighed 196 pounds. Mackie Shilstone says that Roy went to him at the start of camp weighing around 192 pounds, with around 9% body fat. He then built him up a little and took his body fat down to 6%. He then kept his physique in the hope of landing a mega money fight at HW. He had talks with Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield and Corrie Sanders. And when one didn’t materialise, he then signed to fight Tarver in September of 2003, with the fight date being early November, 2003. What do you mean 10 pounds in 2 months is nothing? We’re talking about 10 pounds of muscle, not water/fat. He went from the mid 190’s down to 175 for the weigh-in. His ring weight was then recorded at 185. I don’t know what you have an issue with.
Maybe a combination of speed of loss plus age making the body weakened. I mean maybe if you did it in your mid 20''s the body would adapt without losing that strength. It makes sense that sudden changes in your 30's would take a lot longer to recover if at all. I know from personal experience as a cyclist my abilty to recover from breaks and injuries really slowed down in my 30's. I had a pretty bad crash when I hit 40 and that kicked my arse with the surgoen telling me to knock it on the head otherwise I might have serious issues. It's interesting to ponder I will definately have a look and see if I can find out more. The question for me is it just a limit of age or is it the method used that comprimised the fighter.
It’s very interesting because Chad Dawson was a lot younger than Roy, with a lot less mileage on the body. John told me that they had him running up mountains etc, and at one point, he ended up gaining weight. He said that taking the muscle off was crazy. And then in the fight, he looked completely drained where his punch resistance had been hampered.
Roy didn't lose 10 lbs of muscle. Lol. Roy: I got to lose 10 lbs, bro. Trainer: Great. I devised a scientific super advanced method of losing weight where you will lose only pure muscle mass.. Roy: You're fired.
