Did Martin vs Ortiz ruin Wilders resume?

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  1. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Wilder's best win just went life and death with Joshua's 7th best win. He needed a hail mary shot to end this fight and was getting comprehensively beaten before that, getting dropped and hurt multiple times.

    Just over 2 years ago this same Ortiz schooled Wilder for 8 rounds or so before getting knocked out.
     
  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The main thing is Ortiz chin is pure china. Or it's his legs. Anyway Wilder power > big time overrated.
    But to be fair 1 year or even from fight to fight is a huge difference. Also tons of factors that influence punch resistance from fight to fight for example.
     
  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Not really

    Ortiz looked older than ever last night so its a tad unfair to compare him to the fighter that fought Wilder back then

    Plus he was never as good as many made out anyhow

    Still a decent win at the time for Wilder but one that his fans feast on
     
  4. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It’s a good win but Ortiz is packing pure glass so over 12 rounds Wilder only had to catch him once which is a bit silly really.
     
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  5. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member Full Member

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    Ortiz just needs to pick out a coffin now and lie down in it. It's time. Then again, he wasn't a spring chicken against Wilder either.
     
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  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well it didn't add to it that's for sure.

    Ortiz beat nobody of note other than Jennings and you could argue Jennings was a gate keeper. I think Ortiz at his best was a dangerous counter puncher but also very limited due to his slow feet, inability to cut off the ring effectively and a chin that was average at best. There's a reason why he never did much as an amateur and why he steered clear of guys like Ustinov and Joshua and when did step up to fight for a title chose the weakest champion when he was mandatory for a more highly regarded and dangerous champion.
     
  7. The Long Count

    The Long Count Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It didn’t help lol. Both guys are terrible. Let’s face reality Ortiz is ancient - and he was on juice when he looked good against mediocre competition. He was off the juice since being caught twice and looked like the stiff legged, weak chinned old man he is.
    And Martin is awful
     
  8. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

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    Hopefully we can get @Mitch87 on the case.
     
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  9. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilders resumes was already waffer thin. For Wilder's only notable win to go life and death with a guy not amongst AJ half best opponents he has beaten, it really does some up Ortiz and Wilders quality (both extremely overrated).
     
  10. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    Wilder has the most maligned resume in heavyweight champion history, so I wouldn't say it did too much damage.

    Besides, didn't you hear Sean porter? Ortiz is the 2nd best heavyweight! based off 2 ko losses to wilder so I guess martin is number 3 so really ajs resume takes a bump bc Martin went life and death with the number 2! Thats boxing logic baby
     
  11. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    This.

    No, it doesn't take away from Wilder - the version Wilder fought wasn't shot, the one last night clearly was.

    Ortiz was always hopelessly overhyped for how little he achieved in his prime... And will continue to be, because it's the best available sand to build the foundations of Wilder's shaky resume upon.

    It is what it is.
     
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  12. ad4m88

    ad4m88 Active Member Full Member

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    I'll never understand the hype over Ortiz who has he ever beat that got him so much buzz in the first play Bryant Jenning? Dave Allen? Malik Scott?
     
  13. theXshape

    theXshape Active Member Full Member

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    People really have paper thin logic on this board.
     
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  14. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilders and King Kong resumes are both wafer thin. If they actually fought any of the other guys in the top 10 they both get starched.
    Neither will though as they were only ever hype in the first place.
    The revisionism with Fury and Wilder fanboys is embarrasing as they need to big the other up as without that trilogy both have done next to nothing other than Fury beating Vlad who was there to be taken.
    The rest of it for both is just smoke and mirrors. Based on godly power or godly skill neither of which is true due to lack of competitive fights.
    I had some clown on here trying to convince me that Stiverne was No.2 Heavyweight when Wilder fought him then quoting ESPN as his "source" absolute mongs...
     
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  15. Inglis_1

    Inglis_1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This.

    It's mainly the UK fans too, trying everything to justify AJs resume by clinging onto everything and taking no facts into context.
     
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