Sorry, you can't create threads like Hughie Fury dominates the heavyweight division and minutes later expect anyone to listen to you. If you've been around the sport longer than a minute, you know anyone at heavyweight can get dropped. It's what they do after getting dropped that matters. You can get up and pulverize the guy who dropped you (like Ortiz did Saturday) ... or you can spit out your mouthpiece and quit ... like some other notables have done. Ortiz got off the floor in the first Wilder fight to nearly take him out. He got off the floor against Martin and had him talking to invisible people in the corner. Ortiz is a fighter. We'll see what happens when Hrgovic gets rocked. That's when you find out. Sometimes the fighters themselves don't know until it happens to them. It's easy being a front-runner. That's all Hrgovic has been so far. I look forward to seeing what happens if they do fight.
Luis “King Khan” Ortiz aka the Amir Khan of the heavyweights get his glass chin absolutely shattered.
Anyway, we know Luis “Amir Khan” Ortiz isn’t taking this fight. He has a history of ducks so long I think he’s starting his own pond.
Luis "dropped twice by Martin" Ortiz was getting tagged to bits by Christian Hammer. Im sure Fossil ortiz would probably get his face boxed off by Hughie Fury at this point and Hughie has a good chin so Ortiz isn't landing a shot that could change the fight like he did against bum Martin. Hrgovic will put him to rest, Ortiz needs it, his skin is chipping off
You could’ve been right, if it was 2016. But unfortunately for Ortiz, It’s not. Hrgovic may seem 1 dimensional and not so hard to hit, but It should be enough to wear Ortiz down who has no legs or balance at this point.
Ylu got that wrong. No men can claim the “HW Amir Khan” title besides Dillian Whyte, especially after David Price’s retirement.
We'll definitely see. As I mentioned that night, the big left hand that Martin landed behind Ortiz's ear that jarred his head sideways and put him down is a shot that screws with your equilibrium. To his credit, Luis popped right up because it landed in a terrible spot. But there were moments when he was in ring center and there was no fighting going on in the second when Ortiz seemed like he was trying to find his legs. His head was clear, but his equilibrium was screwed up. He finally worked his way out of it. In the last round, his legs were fine as he was manhandling Martin all over the place. When your legs are shot, they're shot. They don't get better during a fight. Which leads me to believe the legs issue came from the punch behind the ear. But, we'll see.
Hrgovic doesn't paw with the jab. People used to say the same about Lewis but just like with Lewis, Hrgovic is utilising his lead hand differently than just throwing a hard jab. When he seemingly paws he actually posting to maintain distance so his opponent can't easily get inside. He also stick out the lead hand to control his opponents head position to set up the right hand and he also sticks it out to obscure his opponents vision to again set up the right hand. It might look like he's pawing with the jab but what he's doing is more subtle. His lead hand control is pretty good, I've even seen him do what Loma does and use his lead hand to pull down the guard of his opponent to create openings. Hrgovic does stand straight up though and doesn't move his head relying on his size and distance maintenance to avoid shots, which means he can be easy to hit so I would expect Ortiz to have a punchers chance. But I think with Ortiz's cautious counter style, Hrgovic's right hand and size advantage I think Hrgovic KO's him before Ortiz KO's him.
Are you a young fan? Ortiz is old and would get beaten to the punch. He'd be crushed the the rest of those over 40, The question to me is does Hrgovic's manager have enough money to force the fight. Boxing politics is dirty.
Nope im not What an odd question based on such an opinion lol Ive clearly stated on this forum Ortiz gets knocked out within 4 rounds I dont think he fancies such a fight and i doubt he or his team see the money thst would be offered would be worth the risk at this late stage of his career
I could see that, too. Look, I like Hrgovic. I'd be more comfortable picking him if he had 20 fights instead of 14. Hrgovic seems to have stalled a bit under the Matchroom banner fighting total nobodies. The pandemic didn't help anyone get fights. But there doesn't seem to be a plan for him career wise with this promoter. Like Usyk with the WBO and Joshua, if Hrgovic gets a shot with someone like Ortiz it will be because the IBF mandates it. Not because of Matchroom's matchmaking. I like Hrgovic. I'd be happy if he won over Ortiz. I always like to see new, dangerous contenders. But Hrgovic is also very predictable. He falls into very specific patterns during fights. He has a very tedious rhythm to his punching. The top guys will be able to pick up on these patterns. I can understand why trolls jumped on Ortiz going down and have blown it out of proportion (because trolls just troll) but I think more rational fans are kind of ignoring how hard it is to recover your equilibrium from a really hard shot behind the ear like that when both fighters are dry. That punch's affect lingered for several rounds. But it looked to me like Ortiz kept working until he recovered his legs, that's how he was able to come back and brutally stop Martin. So I'll withhold my judgement on Ortiz's legs until his next fight. His legs seemed fine when he was bashing Martin all over the ring at the end.
Agree about Hrgovic's career stalling and Matchroom failing him with no clear plan right now to secure him a big fight. Joyce was in a similar situation, seen as too old but too big a risk to fight but Warren matched his two rising prospects together and turned Joyce into a serious contender that people are talking about when he was an after thought before. Matchroom need to do something similar for Hrgovic but seem unable or unwilling to do so. But hopefully an opportunity opens up for Hrgovic. Having analysed the fight more today I'm not so sure about Ortiz's legs being totally gone either. Yes his equilibrium may have been off for a few rounds which is why his legs dipped in rd 2 and why he seemed to lose his footing at times. I think Martin moving so much didn't help, Ortiz has always had slow feet, you watch his fight with Scott and he was off balance at times as he was made to miss, he even did a full 360 at one point after missing a punch vs Scott. Against a taller, mobile opponent he was having to chase while maybe still hurt it could of resulted in his poor footwork. I guess we'll see in his next fight if it was that shot he took early on or if his legs really are gone.
