AJ and Wilder go back to 1921

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  1. Ali Holmes

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    And fight in the heavyweight division of that day. What happens next? Do they stand a chance against the fighters of that day?

    With the likes of Billy Miske and George Carpentier on the loose, are they even heard of?
     
  2. Jason Gordon

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    They both kill multiple people
     
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  3. Unforgiven

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    Dempsey would hire them as sparring partners.
     
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  4. Ali Holmes

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    Or perhaps they would hire Dempsey as a sparring partner
     
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  5. Bah Lance

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    I'd rather send our actual best back like Uysk and Fury.

    I could only imagine how Wilder and AJ would struggle with the technicians from the 20s.
     
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  6. cross_trainer

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    You've taken away their financial support, taken away their access to modern training (which AJ in particular relies on), and put them in a third world country as members of a persecuted minority. Their performance declines considerably, IMO.
     
  7. Ali Holmes

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    They would crucify any boxer from 100 years ago. For the sake of argument, I'll let you have Dempsey.
     
  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jack Dempsey would put Wilder to sleep like he was prepping him for surgery.
     
  9. Ali Holmes

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    Dempsey never saw anything as athletic, fast, rangy and hard hitting as Wilder (or AJ).

    @Seamus need your opinion on this
     
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  10. Alexandrow Vids

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    I give Gene Tunney a good Chance to outbox Wilder and Joshua.

    I give Dempsey a Punchers Chance.

    Some people just don't understand that boxing is a contact Sport and
    Humans of 2021 are just as resilient as they were in 1921 or 1821 or 1021 or
    21 before the birth of Jesus Christ

    So if Dempsey hits someone on the skull, the lights go out.
     
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  11. Bah Lance

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    If they are allowed to double team the boxer with hammers and nails...they might have a shot at crucifying them but that would result in a race riot.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    I still think Wilder is crazily overrated. Still think AJ would put Wilder to sleep. That said they would both do well particularly AJ who actually has a defence.
     
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  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, neither gets a title shot because they are both black.

    With the training methods of the 1920s, Wilder is probably a better all around fighter than he is today. (It's not like he uses the latest 'modern' training methods anyway.) His power is a gift and his fighting heart would serve him well. If he's in every fight NOW with his power, he'd be ferocious back then. Instead of giving up 20, 30 or 40 pounds a fight, he'd weigh around 210 and destroy the much smaller men of that era. He'd be feared. Would probably reign as the Colored Heavyweight Champion for 10 years, beating guys like Harry Wills and George Godfrey. He is rough around the edges like they were. He'd have no problems fitting in with the other black fighters of that era. But Dempsey and Tunney wouldn't go anywhere near him. And if Harry Wills couldn't get a title shot, the boxing establishment at the time aren't letting the "6'7" knocks out everyone he fights and wants to kill a guy" Wilder in there with ol' Jack.

    Who knows what Joshua would look like without all his modern training methods and PEDs. He might weigh under 200 pounds. He quits today when the going gets tough. He is a frontrunner. He likes to call time when he needs a break. None of that bodes well in the 1920s. Also, he's only fought once in the U.S. in this era. Doubt he'd board a ship and sail for a week to fight here back then.

    If he takes up the sport at all, he's strictly a London-based boxer and he might do well because of his height. But he's soft now even with every advantage.

    It's difficult to tell with Joshua because he is "very much in every fashion" a manufactured and constructed modern fighter.

    What would Joshua look like without the big pay right out of the blocks, the main attraction status right out of the blocks, every bout on TV, marketing team behind him, the careful management, the quick title shot, the carefully manufactured image, the carefully manufactured physique, the advertising dollars?

    Who knows because that person doesn't exist.

    Wilder primarily fought for little pay off TV in bad arenas for many many years against whoever they could find. And he still destroyed everyone. He was driven. He'd thrive. If he still had his sick daughter and needed money, he'd probably have 200 fights instead of almost 50, 190 or so by knockout.
     
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  14. janitor

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    They had this thing back then called the color bar, so they both end up working as sparring partners, while they dream of a big pay day against Harry Wills.

    In desperation, they both start wearing the cuffs to get fights, and this makes it easy for the champion's to deny them a title shot.

    Eventually age catches up with them, and Jack Sharkey simply clobbers them anyway.

    They end up as enigmas obfuscated by the mists of time.

    They both lose all their money in the financial crash, and and eek out their days as farm laborer's.

    They both die as dissolute and embittered drunks.

    Jack Dempsey pays for Anthony Joshua's funeral, because he liked his attitude.

    Nobody liked Wilder's attitude, so he is buried in a potters field, and the spot becomes a patch of weeds!
     
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  15. Dubblechin

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    This is when I knew you were joking.