What exactly do you think you’ve refuted? You haven’t refuted anything. It’s you who’s been emotional. Maybe you should reread the posts. Nobody is hating on Joe. It’s just some criticism that’s been thrown his way. You haven’t replied to anything. All you’ve offered is the above fallacy waffle. If you reread the posts, it’s me that’s refuted and countered everything that you have said. You said that Joe only fought who was available to him. No. Joe made a conscious decision to do what Eubank had done before him, by defending a lightly regarded WBO belt for a decade. You said that Joe only had a very small window to try and fight Roy earlier. No. Joe did not want to fight Roy earlier. You said that Joe didn’t have an ATG dance partner to pursue like Ricky Hatton did. Yes, he did. It was Roy Jones at LHW. You say in order to have gotten a fight with Roy, he’d had to have moved up in weight. Correct. Just like he DID in 2008, and just like Ricky did when he moved up to WW to fight Floyd. You have given him praise for beating Hopkins and Roy at LHW. Yet you have bizarrely found it strange that I’ve criticised him for not having moved up earlier. You say that Joe would had to have given up his advantages had he have moved up to LHW earlier. Yet Joe said that he’d be stronger at the weight and would hold a significant speed advantage over his opponents. Again, I have countered and refuted everything that you’ve said. You can’t praise a guy for moving up to LHW to fight a guy who he literally labelled as being shot, yet then accuse someone of hating on him for criticising why he didn’t move up earlier. Do you know how dumb that sounds? You’re defending his decision not to have moved up earlier, yet are then praising him for when he did go up. It’s bizarre. If he moved up in 2008, then he could have moved at any point. It’s funny how you don’t mention any disadvantages when giving him praise for his LHW wins in 2008. It’s funny how you don’t mention that he spent a decade happily fighting mostly European level fighters. Regarding Hopkins, yes, I’ve criticised his motives and actions for years. He played it safe until he lost to Taylor twice. He’s on record stating that he could have moved up to SMW and LHW years earlier than he did, but that he didn’t want to give up his advantages. He’s also stated that if he could drag a guy to a weight that he wasn’t familiar with or comfortable at, then he would do that. He deserves praise for his incredible longevity and his wins at an advanced age at LHW, but he had no intentions of taking those kinds of challenges in his prime. Regarding Roy-Dariusz, it was a huge omission from Roy’s resume, and we all missed out on a great fight which should have happened. But no official negotiations ever took place. Every time HBO and Roy’s advisors reached out to Universum, they were rebuffed. They were never willing to meet in order to try and make the fight. And after having all of their calls ignored, HBO then sent a fax over (this was 2001) stating that they wanted to discuss the possibility of showcasing a ‘Double Header’ with Roy and Dariusz in the U.S. so that they could introduce Dariusz to a live U.S. audience. Yet once again, it was ignored. They obviously didn’t want the fight. Now instead of telling me to go and suck on a big fat one, why don’t you come back and try and refute what I’ve said.
What’s this?? No direct message to me?? What?? After all of these years?? Very disappointing Josephine. Very disappointing. You’ve really hurt my feelings. Now it obviously goes without saying that apart from me commenting on YouTube, everything else that you’ve written is absolute nonsense which has never happened. But then I’d expect nothing less from you. Now unfortunately Josephine, I’ve got some very bad news for you. Very bad news. What you haven’t realised in your rant to Serge, is that in trying to expose me, you have in fact really dropped yourself into the brown smelly stuff. As our dear friend Bailey would say: You’ve self pawned. Now obviously you haven’t got the intellect to work out why, so I’ll obviously have to explain it to you. By mentioning the YouTube videos, I could show everyone here where you’ve attacked me in the comments section, and who exactly YOU ARE on YouTube. I could give everybody your username. And if I did so, they could see the videos which you’ve produced on your channel, where you’ve gone to such great lengths to hate on Roy. And as we both know, there’s more than one. WAY MORE than one. It’s closer to 50 than it is to 1. I won’t give the exact number yet, but I COULD do. It would certainly tell them exactly what kind of a person you are. It would tell everybody who out of the 2 of us is really the one who’s obsessed with Roy. It would tell everybody who out of the 2 of us really spends most of their spare time analysing Roy’s career. It would tell everybody here which one of us has a GENUINE mental illness. So you should think about being kinder to me Josephine. Otherwise I’ll list ALL of your ‘Roid Jones’ hate videos for everyone to see. That is of course if I had ENOUGH ROOM to list all of them. Happy New Year Josephine. Look after yourself.
Brutal? You haven’t even see brutal yet. If you want to see brutal, I’ll list all of his own made YouTube videos that he’s produced and edited where he’s hated on Roy. A HUGE list. It’s literally worthy of a straight jacket.
This is all you could muster as a response? Really? Brilliant. You rest your case? No. I rest mine. I have given you the opportunity on two occasions to refute what I’ve said. Yet you have come back with NOTHING. Move along.
I’m not talking about European fighters. I’m talking about European LEVEL fighters. He spent more than half of his WBO reign taking on those guys.
You repeat the sae dross. Our ratios would suggest otherwise numb nut's You have spent years crying about a fighter who retired over a decade ago. I don't care I'm just pulling you up on you not applying your logic to say someone like Hopkins. The fact you just focus on one fighter. you're like that mong Herol Gee who spent his entire life hating on a fighter he's never met in real life I went through all your points your just ignoring them because you're foaming at the mouth punching walls in. There's little point engaging as you're no different to the Canelo and Floyd knob gobblers. the difference is you're a negative Nigel and like them are incapable of reason.
Nobody is crying or foaming at the mouth. I’ve repeatedly told you that Joe was a great fighter but that most of the criticism of his career is justified. I have even PROVEN that. I HAVE applied the same logic to Hopkins. It was written in my previous post. Go and see. How am I incapable of reason? You will find that I have refuted every single one of your points, yet you haven’t refuted any of mine. All you’ve done is insult me.
Are we talking Eubank or Calzaghe here? Not that it matters too much here as both had great smw resumes Either way European level was the top level at that time Contesting the European title at that weight at that time and it was all top world class fighters who would only be considered European level because that was the title they were contesting with no world title shot in sight Allow me to educate you For example Wharton was a top tough smw but his only world title shots were against fighters based out of Europe, yet he was beating and competing with world class comp Let's move on a bit Starie was a world class smw but his only world title shots came against 2 smw greats from and based in Europe Tsypko was a top smw who looked unfortunate to some against Lacy and fought Magee who pushed froch These are small examples but give you an idea I could name several more like Mkertchyan but will let you digest this first
I do like Loudon but do agree that he doesn't apply the same argument to other fighters I have had to pull him up before for trying to use his personal opinions as facts and quoting what fighters were thinking. Yes that is correct, he has quoted to me what fighters were thinking as if he knows what goes on in someone else's mind Still it's good to see him posting
Like I said I'm not that bothered Joe retired a good few years ago. It's just clear when someone isn't being reasonable. As if we look as anyones resume you can pull it apart and dismiss certain fights because the opponent wasn't prime. It can go both ways as the nut huggers go in the opposite direction and ignore everything. If your balanced then you can see those flaws but you can still appreciate the achievement.
Ha! I don’t have to digest anything. I’m talking about European level fighters, as in: Fighters who weren’t world class fighters. You know that.
