Doing a bit of fishing I see I HAVE applied the same argument. It’s literally in my previous post to him. No. Opinions are opinions, but facts are facts. You can’t argue against a fact. Regarding me claiming what guys are/were thinking, are we really going to do this dance again? After almost 10 years? Ha! Really? I told you that Roy was in camp preparing for Montell Griffin in January, 1997, but that he wanted to fight Virgil Hill afterwards. You then accused of me claiming to know what fighters were thinking. My response to you was that Roy said that in an interview, before I then uploaded that very interview for you to read yourself. But by all means, keep running with it. It’s been almost a decade now, so another few years won’t make any difference.
This is fine. But where have I been unreasonable? Everything I’ve said is true. I haven’t hated on him. I’ve just said that most of the criticism of him is justified. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Mger Mkrtchyan? He is the very definition of a non world class European level fighter. He was a career Euro level fighter. I’m not trying to disrespect these guys. Anybody who puts the gloves on are warriors. The criticism is of a great fighter like Joe being more than HAPPY to have fought those kinds of guys. Even you can’t spin Mkrtchyan as being world class. Branko Sobot is another one. Kabary Salem too. There’s lots of them. His WBO reign was poor overall.
You're being unreasonable because you focus purely on Joe whilst ignoring those very same flaws in the fighters that you mention. It's not that your strictly being dishonest but your pulling on all the negatives and dismissing the positives. Also your misquoting fighters and not providing evidence that is what they actually said. Rather than manipulating quotes to fit your narrative. Well you clearly don't like Joe which is fine but you certainly can't be considered objective on that perticular subject. I don't disagree Joe could have played things differently in his career but as I've clearly stated in several posts you can apply the same critique to most fighters as very few if any have a perfect resume.
Again, I’ve already mentioned Hopkins. How have I dismissed the positives, when I’ve said that he was a great fighter who deserves credit for the Hopkins win? What is wrong with criticising the win over Roy, after he literally labelled Roy as being shot, or saying that his WBO reign was poor, when it was littered with Euro level fighters who he was happy to fight? There’s nothing wrong with that. I’ve not manipulated any quotes. I’ll give you the links if they’re still available.
'Calzaghe retires with 46-0 record Feb 5, 2009 For months, light heavyweight champion Joe Calzaghe has been saying he would probably retire. On Thursday, he did.' Last fought 8th Nov 2008 This content is protected Carl Froch 'Froch was left shattered when Jones career ended in shame as a drugs cheat. The Brit said: I was very, very annoyed. I put him on a pedestal. Unbeaten, a super-middleweight moving up to heavyweight and winning world titles. Pound of pound the best at the time, no one could hit him, he could punch, he could box, he could do everything and usually did in the ring. He hardly ever lost a round and then to find out he was cheating on drugs was quite devastating because I was a massive fan. You look back and you think was he that good or was he given an extra boost by something else? Were drugs giving him thee edge on his way to the top? Was it giving him the edge in hand speed, was it meaning he could go 12 rounds easy? Some of his fights were close late on. The guys he was fighting were looking tired and he was still looking sharp was that down to drugs? If he was still sharp because he was cheating, then that is unfair because you never know he might have come unstuck in those final two or three rounds.' Clinton Woods 'Former IBF light heavyweight champion Clinton Woods says hes not surprised that former opponent Antonio Tarver and other prominent American boxers are testing dirty. I fought in America three times and the testing situation was always joke, Woods told the Sheffield Star. In three fights, I had one little test and was told it was only for marijuana. Its always annoyed me how rife American boxing is with drugs and steroids, but at least they are cracking down on it now and people are being caught. The trouble is that people there will only get fined pocket money. ''Me and Roy Jones didn't even get drug tested after the fight'' "When it comes to taking drugs there is no excuse, none whatsoever" Woods continued with "I remember when I was boxing if I had a cold I used to go to the doctors and see if there was something that I could take because I knew that there were things I couldnt take; boxers know" Joe Calzaghe "I would hate to fight a cheat and I don't believe in cheating in any sport. I'm not calling him a cheat and I don't know what was taken or what happened," Calzaghe told The People. "I have to remember to take my vitamin C every morning and I believe in a fair fight." He says that even if his opponent, Jones or otherwise, took an illegal steroid, he would still beat them. "In athletics, a cheat gets disqualified, but in boxing if you get your ass kicked and then he's found to be a cheat, it doesn't matter because you can't reverse the decision and you've still had your ass kicked. ''In athletics drug cheats get banned automatically for two years, and if steroids can make athletes run faster, they can surely help a boxer to hit harder and to hit for longer and this will enable them to inflict more punishment, which I think is repulsive. During our pre-fight medicals we get tested for drugs and it's never crossed my mind to take anything performance-enhancing. I don't have a big pot of pills that I dip into all hours of the day. In fact, I have a job just to remind myself to take vitamins. ''I would be angry if someone I fought took something that gave him an unfair advantage because this is a dangerous sport, it's not like running. In athletics it now seems almost part of the culture, just like cycling, and the who idea is to stay one step ahead of testing. I sat alongside Justin Gatlin, at the time the reigning Olympic 100m champion, on the BBC's Question of Sport about a year ago and spoke to him afterwards. We talked about the Jeff Lacy fight because he's from Florida as well and he seemed like a really nice guy and I was genuinely shocked and disappointed when he failed a drugs test last summer. Whenever I watch athletics or cycling now I have my suspicions. Some get caught and some don't but I like to think that fighters are clean. Boxing's a warrior sport and, to me, there have always been values that go along with that. ''It's cheating there's no other word for it.'' Montell Griffin ''Roy is not close to being the hardest puncher to ever hit me. But he was so fast that his speed was power. And you know, it's out there now, so it ain't no big secret, but he tested positive for steroids. People always questioned it, but then he tested positive and failed a test and it made me think he was on steroids for all of those fights'' ''Roy Jones is a great fighterone of the greatest fighters ever, but like I said, when I found out he failed the steroid test I just lost a lot of respect for him because I just thought he was on steroids when he beat me so thats the only way I can look at it. So when I took the knee, I pulled back, went down on my knee, and looked at up at the referee to start his count. By the time I looked up, the man hit me. He hit me the first time and it caught me off guard and then he loaded up and hit me the second time and at that point I could hear everything that was going on but it was like my body was paralyzed. I couldnt move, I couldnt do anything, I was trying to get up but I couldnt move and I heard the referee counting and I was like, Man, I cant believe this! Theyre going to count me out on this dirty punch. When I got up, came to, and got my faculties together I heard my brother say to Larry to disqualify Roy. Roy came over and apologized to me on like three occasions, said he was sorry. As we found out later on in his career that he failed steroid tests so I just feel that he was having roid rage. He was frustrated from what I was doing to him, he caught roid rage, he was frustrated so he hit me.'' ''Like I said, when he failed the steroid test it kind of hurt me because of course me feeling like I was cheated, and because I looked up to this guy. Knowing that he cheated, it kind of took a little away from him.'' Frank (British boxing promoter, surname is a place where rabbits live beginning with the letter W and ending in N. A ginger man if that helps) ''I knew Jones was messing around with steroids. "It all came out into the public and since he's stopped using he's not looked the same fighter. '' Roid Jones Former four division champion Roy Jones Jr. is wondering whether or not Antonio Tarver was on steroids in their 2004 rematch - where Tarver, on a single punch, stopped Jones in the second round and Roy was never the same boxer after that contest. On June 22, ***** broke the news that Tarver tested positive for drostanolone, an anabolic steroid. The failed test took place prior to Tarver's twelve round draw against Lateef Kayode on June 2 in California. Jones says it is "very possible" that Tarver was using steroids for their fight. Since the positive test result, several of Tarver's past opponents like Danny Green and Clinton Woods have been come in the press with similar questions. "You can call it a lucky punch but he did have to throw it. You can call it lucky or unlucky. The only problem I got is now that he's tested positive for steroids, it's very possible that he was on steroids when it happened. Other than that, it was a good punch, a clean punch - so I just can't go off that it was a lucky punch. But if he was on steroids, then it makes me understand on how he was able to stand there and why he was so confident to throw it, because he knows he's on steroids.
I notice that you missed Robin Reid. Plus he got his ass kicked by Brewer to win the title and Johnson easily beat him.
I thought Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell and Mads Larsen clearly beat him. His record is one of the most manufactured ones of this millenium.
You see There is the problem that other posters noted about you You are not able to take in all the information and digest it You are commenting again on what you don't know and will once again have to use ESB as your source
PMSL. Is that all you've got, Loudunce? More lies, denial, and projection? Jesus Christ you're weak. You're fooling no one. Not even yourself. I've had an active YouTube channel for YEARS. Are you really so dim that you thought it was a secret? Have you only just "figured it out"? And I've already posted every clip I've uploaded to YouTube here MYSELF, you ****ing clown. It doesn't take me 5 minutes work to save, trim, and upload a clip which is used to to support the truth you thick ****. But what takes me a few minutes would probably take you an hour. Because I'm a lot smarter than you, aren't I. This is also EXACTLY what serge just said he's done you absolute spastic. It's called supporting your arguments. With facts and reality. Even if you weren't thick as pig**** and could use a pc, you can't back up your complete and utter nonsense arguments because your lies and delusions have zero basis in reality. "Great lengths" LOL. As opposed what is your hopeless life-long effort. Me proving my arguments was easy, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it . You trying to prove your nonsense lies and delusions is literally impossible. That's why your bs arguments are far worse off than they were 10 years ago. Countless hours wasted, tens of thousands of endless waffling posts for nothing. In the Loudunce Fantasy World, anything exposing the truth about Roid Jones is "hate" . Not even YOU believes this lie. At least pretend to be sensible. In the Loudunce Fantasy World where reality is a myth and vice versa it's not Loudunce who's obsessed with Roid Jones & Joe Calzaghe but somehow someone else. It's not Loudunce who's the proven pathological liar... It's not Loudunce who's proven to be an autistic, delusional, narcissistic creepy troll... And it must not have been Loudunce who's made 36,000+ long-winded absolute nonsense posts on ONE forum alone, 99% of which are lies or delusions hero-worshipping Roid Jones or using the exact opposite standards to try and criticise Joe Calzaghe. Both of which fail miserably. God knows how many bs YouTube comments and social media posts he's made on top of that. Non-stop for 10 years. And you're only going to continue. You can't stop. "GENUINE mental illness." Again, serge literally just pointed out your mental illnesses before I did you ****ing clown. I had you sussed years ago. A creepy fat mentally ill troll like you isn't even worth humouring. You're only good for abusing. In summary, Loudunce's defense isn't very complicated; 1. Simple lies and denial (despite all factual evidence proving otherwise) 2. Hopeless attempts to project his own mental illnesses onto other people. Imagine Loudunce taking the stand in a courtroom . And he talks about other people wearing a straight jacket? Jesus Christ. You couldn't make it up. His hypocrisy is beyond cringeworthy. This content is protected You're a joke. The laughing stock and punchbag of this forum. You have zero respect, zero credibility. This is your life, you tragic freak. You should be grateful I've even bothered replying to your drivel. I could abuse you all day if you weren't such a boring mundane pointless nobody. zzzzz... You're too easy.
Mkrtchyan beat undefeated chanet, who beat undefeated tsypko who beat magee and looked unfortunate to some against lacy. They were both considered world level That's the same level there You see, if you had have digested the information provided, you wouldn't have indigestion on these facts now I'm sure you are aware that sobot was a sub for undefeated salmaci Still sobot fought a close debatable fight with world class cherifi who went on to become a world champ
