ROY JONES JR - 'Why aren't I judged by the same criteria as ALI & ROBINSON?!'

No, it's accent that sounds like how a Russian would speak American.

 

He got clocked by HW John Ruiz a few times when they fought. He took them well (To my surprise)

 

Roy is great, the best Russian to ever put on the gloves

 

LOL. The man had 199 pro fights. Even if he only ducked 10% of the top guys, that's 20 fighters ducked. Can you name 20 top guys SRR ducked? SRR has been called a lot of things, but a ducked shouldn't be one of them.

 

You must be young! Jones was well known with Hardcore and casual fans. He was P4P#1 for years. Everybody knew who Jones was.

 

Because he was involved in boxing's very lowest point: he tested positive for PEDs and it was ignored because of his star power:

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/officials-ignored-jones-s-failed-drug-test-6942777.html

Sorry, Roy, you are always going to be a symbol of cheating, corruption, classicism, and dubious accomplishments.

And you are the same age as Joe Calzaghe, so yeah, it counts. You simply lost to a better man when you could no longer use PEDs.

 

So what happened later changes what he was and what he achieved earlier? Nobody tell this guy about the end of Ali’s and SRR’s careers. Not that he’s actually seen any of their fights if he claims that RJJ wasn’t in their class. I’d also put SRL in their class, all top tier with losses they shouldn’t have had. The whole who is the greatest thing is stupid on the first place, to think that RJJ isn’t there with the best of them is even stupider.

 

I vividly remember the days of Rob-cott when Mr Smith was fighting scrubs like Gene Fullmer and Carmen Basilio.

 

Rjj prime for prime is an ATG.

 

Who?

 

Jones was a great fighter but never fought the level of competition that SRR and Ali fought. Not even close. Tarver beat him the first fight and of course ktfo in the second. Those fights were at Jones summit as a pro. He was very fast but didn't take those heavy shots well. Of course after his speed left him he was routinely ktfo. Whereas in a fighter such as SRR his boxing skills were so great that he could compete well past his prime. Jones lacked that level of skill.

 

They didn't spend half their careers fighting absolute tomato cans on HBO PPV. Although ali fought a lot of scubs. SRR is on another level resume wise.

 

He is judged by the same criteria. It's just that most observers rate him below Ali and Sugar. I thought Jones was spectacular at 160 and 168. Most of his reign was at 175 where he fought too cautiously and his opposition was not great . KOs against Tarver and Johnson didn't help his case. Sorry Roy. Just my opinion.

 

From 1990-2002 he was untouchable.

The best P4P fighter of that era by a margin. He barely even lost a single round in many of his fights he was that dominant.

Going up to HW and dropping back down as well as getting older caught up with him.

He does get the credit he deserves from me.

It’s fairly obvious to anyone who knows boxing that if you fight on long enough and get old enough, you will eventually start losing. It is not an old man’s sport. Doesn’t matter how ‘great’ you are.

 

'I'm the only fighter dead or alive who turned pro as a junior middleweight who became heavyweight champion of the world...'--Jones Jr.

But he was never THE Heavyweight Champion. Lewis was the Champ, not Ruiz. You can't conflate the two. Also, while it's technically true that Jones started at 154 and was effective all the way up to heavyweight, a rare feat indeed, Bob Fitzsimmons started even lower and was actually THE Champion at middleweight, light heavyweight, and heavyweight. This is why it's hard to compare Jones with others. Obviously the talent was there but he was never "the man" in any class he competed in.

Jones says that he missed fights while at the same time saying he did all that he could. These are conflicting statements. I don't give him too hard of a time for missing Benn or Eubank, seeing as 168 was rightfully seen as a flyover class, but he still could have attempted to secure those bouts. Benn was his top-rated challenger between 1994-95. He missed loads of talented guys at 160, including McClellan, who was #2 in 1993. Jones never got Michalczewski at 175, the Lineal Champion for nearly the entire duration of Jones' light heavyweight run.

To me Jones' is arguably the most talented fighter ever, but there's a difference between looking and being. Plenty of guys had less talent but proved more, and that's why Jones isn't compared with the all-time greats.