Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali, 4 rounds

You're the ****ing idiot if you disagree. Tyson is faster, stronger, more skilled, with a better chin, and has 2 great punching hands compared to Frazier. All Frazier has is better stamina.

 

Frazier was an inside fighter. Iron Mike fought at middle range. Joe's chin was good. He lost three TKOs to Ali and Foreman but no boxer dropped him for the count. Even when Big George knocked him down six times he got up seven.

 

Tyson by first degree murder. Just think prime Tyson without stamina issues. His explosiveness, high output, brutal left hooks.. RIP Ali.

 

He was in his prime. He was just 24 yo. In his last fight prior to he starched Carl Williams in 1:33 min - classic Mike. He was a scant 1 1/4 lbs heavier for Douglas than he was for Williams.

Tillis gave a taste of the style to trouble and beat Mike. Buster heavily expanded on the theme. It wasn’t so much what Tyson didn’t do in Tokyo, it was what Douglas prevented him from doing and what Buster did atop himself - took the play away from Mike immediately in the all important opening rds, inflicting heavy damage from the get go -

The assessment of Mike in Tokyo is often made AS IF Mike was just standing there in the ring on his own - there was actually an opponent in there with him, a big guy fast guy, outboxing and pounding on him.

As far as irrelevant goes we could start on Mike’s accepted and more celebrated victories, deeming IRRELEVANT his wins over an overweight, 38 yo, ill prepared, Ex HW Champ fighting on short notice and only for the money OR an overblown, sh*t scared ex LH Champ. We could do quite a lot of “damage” running that methodology through the whole of Mike’s career.

Ultimately, BEST to accept the Tokyo result for what it actually was - a legit and devastating loss for a 42-1 odds favourite HW Champ very much still in his acceptable prime.

 

Sure, a very reasonable perspective . I actually still see Mike being defeated but that’s just my opinion. I think Mike is afforded excuses well beyond justified. I don’t mean bad luck if Mike was badly unprepared, I mean that I don’t think Mike was as understated as some people think.

For 1 - 4 rd destroyers like Mike, even without being understated,, the complexion of a fight can change quite dramatically when the early rd play is taken away from them and they’re denied the quick KO. By nature, they become that much less of what we’re used to seeing as the less familiar rds roll on.

 

You just proved your stupidity here.

You made sure to highlight Tyson was a "superior version of Frazier in every possible way.", yet in the above post list one of Frazier's advantages.

It's a miracle you're still here, after your first account was permabanned. Next to that idiot, moneytheman, or whatever he refers to himself, you're by far the worst poster here.

 

Preach it brother.

 

Tyson is bigger and stronger than 60s Ali.

 

Tyson without a doubt its not even close. There's nothing Muhammad Ali can do since its 4 rounds. Ali did bad against Infighters. Tyson didn't have great stamina, but if its 4 rounds he would easily win 90%

 

Since it is a 4 rounder I tend to pick Tyson since he can go all guns blazing nonstop without stamina concerns.

However if there is a fighter who can adapt it is Ali and maybe he finds a way to keep Tyson at bay for 4 rounds.

What is absolute nonsense IMO is the idea that Tyson stops Ali. Sure Tyson could win a decision, but a stoppage is not happening.

 

Tyson is not an accomplished infighter by any stretch of the imagination - he's very firmly a mid-range fighter.

In fact, for a shorter armed, shorter height ATG, his infighting is one of the most underdeveloped areas of his game.

Tyson stood square and was relatively easy to tie up and push back. He became passive and waited for the referee to break it up so he could reset and go back to mid-range offence. Evan exposed this flaw is his skillset badly!

 

Hey welcome hombre what made you bump such a zany, random, old thread?

 

I don't know. Some fighters managed to have an early success against Mike: Biggs, Tubbs, Tucker. So it tells me Ali probably could have won the first round against him too. Tyson would probably still be a favorite in this scenario, but I think some people underestimate Ali here.