One other thing Is that Monzo was great controlling distance and using his height. At 5-11 Carlos was tall for a middleweight. He knew how to use it. He doesnt have the height advantage this time either. So what does that mean? Well it means Jones can more than hold his own on the outside. I'm sure Monzon would use everything he could to impose his will on Roy. Pressure, maybe some rough tactics Carlos had alot of experience. It's hard to make those things work if you can't lay a glove on your opponent.
Another reality is that if this bout was in Argentina that Tito Lecture would have them fighting in a phone booth size ring. If he did his homework on Roy Jones. So Roy may have to do some fighting with his back on the ropes. No problema.
I respect your opinion. It’s cool if we don’t agree. It’s what makes a great debate. All I’m saying, is that IMHO, the Tarver loss shouldn’t really have a bearing. The Thomas Tate version of Roy and the post HW version who fought Tarver, are two very different versions of Roy, at 2 different weights.
While I do not buy that fighters lose their primes early unless they are like the fictional character Benjamin Button, I do have my opinion who wins and it is not Roy Jones Jr, Monzon had longevity on his side, even retired as champion, even Hagler was unable to accomplished such a feat as Jones too was unable to do. But as you posted, I respect your opinion as well, no one can change my opinion, I have too much respect for you to try to change yours my friend.
Tito Lectoure crooked?, it it because he is Latino?, Am I crooked? I happen to be Mexican American, are all Latino fighters crooked?I was born here in the good old USA, served my country 6 honorable years. Maybe Jones is crooked, he lost his prime too soon. I think the reason may you may dislike Carlos was because he never tried to copy a Muhammad Ali, there was only one Ali. Roy Jones Jr and all his flashiness did. I do not pay attention to fighters like that, especially boastful ones. I have my opinion of Jones, you have your opinion of Monzon. I prefer fighters who fight their own way, they let their dukes do the talking in the ring, instead of having that cheezie smile into the cameras. I will no longer respond to these types of threads anymore, it is a waste of my time anyway, I have my opinion and will stick to it. I do not want to be accused of being crooked too. I am better suited for the Lounge.
Just as far as height and reach goes - Jones Jr. was/is 5’10 1/2” height 74” reach. Monzon was 5’ 11 1/2” and 76” reach. Just IMO, but I feel these stats are accurate as per multiple comparisons alongside other fighters. For whatever it’s worth anyway.
It’s all good, and I won’t even try and change your mind. However, I think that you need to be looking more at how they’d have matched up stylistically, and not solely at what they achieved at the weight etc.
Sounds like you have a resentment against Roy Jones Jr. It's causing you to let your emotions get in the way of logic. I don't have that problem. Nor do I dislike Carlos Monzon as you accused me. He was a fantastic champion. FYI so was Roy Jones Jr.
168 and 175 Roy Jones was better all the way. Jones was too big for 160. His some good performances don't change that.
He wasn't as good at 175. He was spectacular at 160. I would '68 was a better fit for his frame. That won't help Carlos Monzon when the bell rings he would still have to deal with a speed deficit as well as Jones's explosive power.
He was good at 175 because his handspeed+punch power was brutal. He could crack bones at 175. 168 was his already absolute peak. His fastest version with the best stamina. 160 was his third best version. Roy Jones didn't start at his best weight. He was too big.